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A Clarifying Encounter

I cannot help noting the quality of this debate itself - how it was organized, the moderators, the quality of the questions. It was a throwback, but a good one. I do not think it was an accident that this one was organized by PBS or that they managed to bring it to a punctual conclusion. After all, this wasn't a ratings or a ad sales driver for them.

On the candidates, I thought the debate began very well for Clinton and quite shaky for Sanders. He got a very basic question about the size of government, one he would certainly get in a general election and one which I do not think he should shy away from. But he wouldn't touch it. Clinton was as strong and specific as he was hesitating and resistant to addressing specifics.

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Dem Goo-Goo Wisconsin Debate Blogging #5

10:54 PM: Agree with it or not, I think Hillary found or rolled out her new motto when she said "I am not a single issue candidate." That brings together the essence of the argument she's trying to make against Sanders. "But here's the point I want to make tonight. I am not a single-issue candidate and I do not believe we live in a single-issue country. I think that a lot of what we have to overcome to break down the barriers that are holding people back ..."

Dem Goo-Goo Wisconsin Debate Blogging #4

10:23 PM: That Sanders answer was sort of a flashback to the lefty magazines I used to read in high school. Jacobo Arbenz gets no love?

10:25 PM: I think Clinton has the better of Sanders on the Libya question. He's got a good point on what's happening with Libya. But I think he's slicing the distinction a bit fine is on that vote.

10:27 PM: Sander's has a pretty point here on Kissinger. But man, this is a serious time warp on the bombing of Cambodia.

10:29 PM: Why has the Bernie finger wag not become a gif meme yet?

I spoke too soon ...

10:35 PM: Clinton's experience and knowledge on foreign affairs is one of her big selling points to me, though I do have some concerns about her interventionism. But I feel like with answer like that Syria one she realizes okay no one is really going to be able to follow what I'm talking about but I'm just going to show how deep my knowledge is.

10:42 PM: They seem to have applied the non-yahoo filter to Facebook when they got tonight's questions.

10:43 PM: Bernie on foreign policy tonight is bringing back a whole childhood of Pete Seeger and PBS documentaries.

Dem Goo-Goo Wisconsin Debate Blogging #3

10:05 PM: Sanders certainly getting some traction here on the nature of political contribution.

10:11 PM: Okay, I think Hillary got off to a much stronger start than Sanders. The dynamics of this debate are very different. But as time went on I think he did better and everything was more evenly matched. When they came back to financial regulation and Wall Street contributions, that's a very hard piece of territory for her to hold. He's always going to have her on the ropes with that ... As a general matter, when she presses him on specifics of his plans he almost always comes back to what you could either call his fundamental critique of the political economy or his talking points. A key question is whether that works, thematic goals versus addressing policy specifics.

10:16 PM: I will say this again. Just the debate itself, the moderators, quality of the questions, so so much better.

Dem Goo-Goo Wisconsin Debate Blogging #2

9:38 PM: "Hardly anyone believes that they have ..." I find that sort of a startling statement to be treated as simply accepted by everyone. Clearly the issue of race and discrimination has become a higher profile issue in the mainstream political dialog. And by some definitions there is more racialized contention in society. But she seems to be buying into the idea that everything was pretty good on this front before Obama became President. I would say that a more coherent way of looking at this is that Obama's very presidency is in part a product of growing minority populations and rising expectations of equality. I won't say this is a simple question: but the assumption that Obama made race relations worse is fairly offensive, not to say factually inaccurate.

9:43 PM: Clinton is referring to this study on rising mortality among middle aged whites, largely driving by overdose and chronic substance abuse.

9:47 PM: Just as a general matter, this debate - format, questions, lack of derp - is just so much better than any of the other debates on either side. On both sides this cycle, you've had an even greater glitzification of the debates, ratings drivers for the hosting networks.

Dem Goo-Goo Wisconsin Debate Blogging

9:06 PM: Sanders weaves prison and criminal justice reform into the lead in which has heretofore been pretty tightly focused on his economic critique. But again, nothing but coherence.

9:11 PM: This debate has an altogether different feel to it than all the debates this year. Much more old-school and civics-y, sort of the like the ones the League of Women Voters used to put on in the old days.

9:13 PM: I'm sort of curious that Sanders wasn't willing to answer that question - the percentage size of government question. OTOH, the health care program would expand the government by 40%? That sounds too high.

9:17 PM: Admittedly not the most important issue in this campaign, by why have 'akrit' and 'inakrit' not become a thing yet?

9:19 PM: Clinton's getting the better of Sanders here on the health care exchange - in part because he's falling back on generalities and she's hitting points that I think are basically accurate.

9:21 PM: "Secretary Clinton, you're not in the White House yet."

9:25 PM: I have to confess I find the continued pressing of Clinton over losing the women's vote a bit gross. I mean, if she wins the male vote, is Bernie unmanned somehow? I mean, he had a big big win. A huge victory. When you win by 22 points you win basically every demographic. It's almost like shaming at this point.

9:29 PM: Shorter Sanders: If a seventy-something Jewish socialist wins the presidency, it'll be a breakthrough too. And how.

Good Work, Folks

Despite the death of militant leader LaVoy Finicum, it is well worth stepping back to take stock of what the FBI managed to accomplish here, especially after what was often or often seemed to be a very drawn out process of seeing a clique of violent and entitled yahoos thumbing their noses at the law with impunity. The FBI video showed pretty clearly that Finicum essentially forced Oregon State Police to shoot him. At all the other key points, the FBI and local law enforcement managed to de-escalate confrontations and end the entire siege not only with no loss of life but not even any violence.

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Umm What?

Heidi Cruz says husband's campaign is "show[ing] this country the face of the God that we serve."

Tense

One of the Oregon occupiers is resisting surrendering to authorities and could be heard on a live audio feed saying, "I am actually feeling suicidal right now." We profiled him here.

Oh My

We can by no means take this as a disinterested claim. And no specific names are mentioned. But a high-ranking Iranian government official, who is an appointee of reformist President Hassan Rouhani, says that Republicans asked the Iranians to delay last months prisoner exchange deal until after the Presidential election.

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