Chesebro Or Eastman: Who Really Masterminded Stop The Steal?

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When I spoke with Ken Chesebro last year across several interviews, one thing was clear: He saw himself as an elite appellate lawyer and needed recognition.

It came through subtly. Chesebro, who subsequently became known as “Co-Conspirator 5” in Jack Smith’s Jan. 6 indictment of Trump, speaks carefully, always emphasizing that he was simply there to support the particular needs of a client.

But as TPM reported last year in an exclusive interview with Chesebro, he started his career on a promising legal track, assisting Harvard Law Professor Lawrence Tribe among a cohort of law students that included future Supreme Court Justice Elena Kagan and journalist Jeffery Toobin.

From there, Chesebro’s career drifted from that elite pathway — he notched an early win by serving on a legal team in a case which set a new legal standard for expert testimony, but had faded deep into obscurity by the time 2020 came around. There was a sense of resentment there, as he spoke of what drew him both to legal practice and to representing Trump: “to try to help even the scales in litigation.”

Chesebro fought that obscurity in his interviews with TPM, providing reams of paper showing his involvement in appellate litigation over the years, as well as ties to elite figures like Tribe and Barack Obama. That included a reference to a 2016 amicus brief he filed with John Eastman, in which the two argued that birthright citizenship was a “vestige of feudalism.”

Chesebro emphasized to TPM that he was the one to have contacted Eastman in that 2016 case — and that he did so not because he agreed with Eastman’s theorizing (Chesebro noted that he disagreed with some of Eastman’s arguments), but because he lacked the recognition in legal circles which Eastman possessed.

“I knew that he had a good reputation among conservatives and, as far as I could tell, none of the conservative justices knew who I was,” Chesebro told TPM.

For Chesebro, that long-sought recognition may finally be arriving — but in the worst way: He is facing the possibility of criminal charges in the alleged conspiracy for which Trump has already been indicted. The New York Times published a Dec. 6, 2020 memo this week written by Chesebro in which he laid out his view for what he saw as Trump’s best legal chance at reversing his 2020 loss. Politico wrote in response that Chesebro’s work may in fact have been “more instrumental” than that of John Eastman, who was long seen as the mastermind of Trump’s legal efforts to remain in power after losing.

The December 2020 memo highlights that Chesebro developed some of the same theories which Eastman would tout weeks later, and which became fundamental to the Stop the Steal legal effort.

Most notably, Chesebro proposed a plan for then-Vice President Mike Pence to try to kick the election to the Supreme Court by refusing to count the votes from states where Chesebro would organize slates of competing fake electors.

That, he argued, would allow the certification joint session on Jan. 6 to be delayed in such a way that “at no point will Trump be behind in the electoral vote count unless and until Biden can obtain a favorable decision from the Supreme Court upholding the Electoral Count Act as constitutional, or otherwise recognizing the power of Congress (and not the president of the Senate) to count the votes.”

Three weeks later, on Dec. 23, Eastman circulated his own infamous memo, proposing a broadly similar idea which would have seen Pence declare that the “ongoing disputes” which Chesebro created via the fake electors meant that “there are no electors that can be deemed validly appointed in those States.”

Neither Eastman nor Chesebro have been charged with a crime.

Chesebro emphasized to TPM last year that 2020 wasn’t the first time he had considered election issues: He referenced work he had done with Tribe in the Bush v. Gore fight. For that, Chesebro provided TPM with a memo he wrote in November 2000 for a colleague on the case, in which he gamed out how various exotic interpretations of the Electoral Count Act might allow Gore to eke out a victory in Florida. That included one question of what would happen if Florida were to send “two slates of electors, with neither slate certified” to Congress on Jan. 6.

Those efforts, Chesebro said, were “the job of the attorney,” before saying that those lawyers at “the lower level” should be as exhaustive as possible so “the ultimate decision-maker will have an array of options to pick from.”

Other than his 2022 interviews with TPM, Chesebro has said nearly nothing in public since his work for Trump. Eastman, on the other hand, has continued to defend his theories. In an interview published last week, Eastman reiterated his support for extralegal measures aimed at blocking Democrats from taking power.

“At some point abuses become so intolerable that it becomes not only their right but their duty to alter or abolish the existing government,” he said. “So that’s the question. Have the abuses or the threat of abuses become so intolerable that we have to be willing to push back?”

Chesebro, ever the attorney, never came close to suggesting that his aim was to overthrow the government: rather, he simply had a dispute which he was working to resolve.

He condemned the violence of January 6, but in limited terms. It was a “human disaster,” he said, but also a failure to achieve the aim of the plans he had set forth: create maximum delay of Biden’s win to allow more debate around the election.

It was a situation of Chesebro’s own alleged making: the fake elector slates he convened, the legal theory which created an expectation in the crowd on January 6 that Pence would do anything except duly certify the election. Chesebro told me that the day disappointed him. The delay that those legal theories were meant to achieve didn’t get him what he wanted: a debate about “serious concerns about the election in several states that were never really addressed on the merits.”

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  1. Avatar for daled daled says:

    Chesebro told me that the day disappointed him. The delay that those legal theories were meant to achieve didn’t get him what he wanted: a debate about “serious concerns about the election in several states that were never really addressed on the merits.”

    I’m sorry…what was the count? 32 - 0 on the merits?!?

  2. Avatar for tpr tpr says:

    Chesebro: “I’m profoundly disappointed that nobody gave serious consideration to living in my Potemkin village. I worked hard on those facades!”

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    as far as I could tell, none of the conservative justices knew who I was,” Chesebro told TPM.

    I stopped short on that comment.

    What a bunch of sad and empty suits have been attracted to the sorriest cause since the Civil War.

  4. Someone should explain to Chesebro the difference between famous and infamous.

  5. Avatar for theod theod says:

    Pride goeth before the fall.
    All is vanity.
    What goes around comes around.
    Karma wins again: Cheese is toast.

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