Regardless Of Sedition Charges’ Outcome, Proud Boys And Others Will Still Seek To Overthrow Gov’t

Research has shown that the more committed members of these extreme right-wing groups believe that the U.S. government is illegitimate and should be overthrown and replaced with one that is based on white supremacy.
A member of the Proud Boys makes an "OK" sign with his hands as he poses for a picture in front of the Oregon State Capitol building during a far-right rally on January 8, 2022 in Salem, Oregon. - The rally, two days... A member of the Proud Boys makes an "OK" sign with his hands as he poses for a picture in front of the Oregon State Capitol building during a far-right rally on January 8, 2022 in Salem, Oregon. - The rally, two days after the first anniversary of the January 6 Capitol riot in Washington, DC, was held to demand "Justice for J6 Political Prisoners". (Photo by Mathieu Lewis-Rolland / AFP) (Photo by MATHIEU LEWIS-ROLLAND/AFP via Getty Images) MORE LESS
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This article is part of TPM Cafe, TPM’s home for opinion and news analysis. It was originally published at The Conversation.

As the House Select Committee prepares to begin public hearings on the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection, far-right groups including the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers are slated to be a topic of discussion.

At the same time, both of those groups’ leaders are facing criminal charges of seditious conspiracy. They are alleged to have worked together “to oppose by force the authority of the Government of the United States.”

Those charges can be difficult to prove in court. But regardless of the outcome of any prosecution that alleges these groups worked to overthrow the government, our research has shown that the more committed members of these and other extreme right-wing groups believe that the U.S. government, as currently constituted, is illegitimate and should be overthrown and replaced with one that is based on white supremacy.

Violent racism

Proud Boys have identified themselves as “Western chauvinists” who focus on opposing political correctness and white guilt. But these claims have generally been seen as cover for deeper racist and antisemitic sentiments. For some Proud Boys members, this group was a steppingstone to more extreme groups, such as The Base.

Like any street gang, the Proud Boys as a national group is made up of semi-autonomous chapters of varying numbers and abilities. They are in different degrees of contact and coordination with other chapters. It’s not clear the level of interest – or capability – that most members have in actually following through with overthrowing the government.

Oath Keepers is an anti-government group that calls itself a “militia” focused on defending the Constitution and fighting tyranny. Former Oath Keepers spokesman Jason Van Tatenhove stated that the group is actually “selling the revolution,” meaning that the group is pushing conspiracy theories and propaganda to facilitate confrontations with federal law enforcement.

While members of the Proud Boys have concentrated their confrontations on anti-fascists or other protesters, Oath Keepers have participated in several armed standoffs against the government.

In 2014, the Oath Keepers joined an armed standoff between far-right patriot groups in Nevada on behalf of Cliven Bundy. In 2015, Oath Keepers showed up heavily armed in Ferguson, Missouri, during protests over the killing of Michael Brown. And in 2016, Oath Keepers were present at the armed takeover of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon.

A challenging road

Historically, prosecutions of seditious conspiracy charges succeeded against militant Islamist or Marxist groups.

But prosecuting far-right groups has tended to be much more difficult. In 1988, Louis Beam, a figurehead in the white power movement, and 13 white supremacists from groups such as the Aryan Brotherhood and the Ku Klux Klan were acquitted of conspiring to kill a federal judge and an FBI agent and plotting to overthrow the federal government to establish an all-white nation in the Pacific Northwest.

In 2012, charges of seditious conspiracy against members of Hutaree, a militant far-right Christian nationalist group, were dismissed after the judge concluded the government had not proved there was an actual conspiracy.

But it is clear from the charges stemming from the Jan. 6 insurrection – involving hundreds of alleged participants – that police and prosecutors are taking seriously the threat of violent action by Proud Boys, Oath Keepers and other far-right groups against individuals, organizations and local and national governments.

Matthew Valasik is an Associate Professor of Criminology and Criminal Justice at the University of Alabama and Shannon Reid is an Associate Professor of Criminal Justice and Criminology at University of North Carolina – Charlotte.

This article is republished from The Conversation under a Creative Commons license. Read the original article.

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  1. Terrorists, straight up.

    ETA: Frist!

  2. The moment Ronald Reagan said “government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem” the door was opened for groups like the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, etc. to worm their way into the Republican Party.

    The biggest surprise to this is that it took as long as it did to come to this.

  3. Historically, prosecutions of seditious conspiracy charges succeeded against militant Islamist or Marxist groups.

    But prosecuting far-right groups has tended to be much more difficult.

    (The End)

  4. Avatar for mrf mrf says:

    Whenever I’m driving up 95 to New England I’ll occasionally see the full sized pickup trucks aka Bro dozers with the assorted militaristic, yes you can call them fascistic, stickers be they Proud Boys (Disney ought to sue for royalties) Three percenters as well as the Punisher character (oddly enough he dislikes law enforcement). There’s also the ones that venerate their firearms like literal appendages.
    It’s rare for me to cringe or feel threatened since I grew up in a fairly cosmopolitan place amongst a variety of ethnicities with few issues.
    Additionally when I was young I never had to fear the left wing radical groups of the era like the Weather Underground, however boneheaded some of their antics were. But when I see these folks and their tacit supporters a chill runs up my spine.
    And I’m the one driving a late model Dodge Challenger.

  5. These other groups, while dangerous, never tried to physically invade and occupy the seat of our national legislature.

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