How did Chris Hayes become Chris Hayes? I ask him. Chris and I also compare notes about the latest on Paul Manafort and discuss how we’re both starting to think the truth about his role in the 2016 election may be far more dark and sinister than either of us had been ready to believe. That’s all in Episode #2 of the Josh Marshall Podcast. It comes out later today. But you can subscribe now to hear it as soon as it comes out.