Josh and Kate discuss presidential immunity, the major Wisconsin maps ruling, and feelings of hope heading into 2024.
Ep. 305: The Case for Optimism
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Josh and Kate discuss presidential immunity, the major Wisconsin maps ruling, and feelings of hope heading into 2024.