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Jack Lew All But Calls IRS Turmoil A 'Phony Scandal'

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"The president has made clear, I have made clear, that the mistakes that were made in judgment, very bad judgment, managing the 501(c)4 program were unacceptable and they had to be fixed," Lew said.

Moments later, he added: "I think that we have to like look at the facts. There had been a lot of investigations. There had been a lot of hearings, [Inspectors General], the Justice Department. There's no evidence of any political decision maker who was involved in any of those decisions. And I think the attempt to try to keep finding that evidence is creating the kind of sense of a phony scandal that was being referred to there."

Wallace pressed Lew to "explain to me how it was that conservative groups were targeted by the IRS?"

"Now, look, first of all, Chris, what we found out as we went through to find the facts is that there was equal opportunity and bad judgment," Lew said. "It was conservative groups. It was progressive groups."

Watch (IRS discussion starts at 11:00):

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