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Veteran Interrogator: You Don't Need to Torture Even in 'Ticking Bomb' Case

So while Franks should get an A for effort, Kleinman's testimony suggests that anyone who'd waterboard in a ticking-bomb case is wasting time that could be used to stop Sheboygan's imminent destruction. When's that going to be considered a threat to national security?