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Mike Pence: Shut 'Er Down! (VIDEO)

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Pence defected on the last stop-gap measure to keep the government funded, which was essentially a vote for a shutdown. At the time he went almost as far as he did in his comments to MSNBC.

I've learned that more often than not things don't change until they have to. Until you reach an impasse. And then real negotiations begin...when the board lights up and they don't have the votes and then they need to come to you and talk about it. Nobody wants a government shutdown, but if we don't take decisive action to change the fiscal direction of the national government, we're going to shut down the future for our children and grandchildren.

Watch Friday's video here:

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