In it, but not of it. TPM DC
Haworth maintained that "the high court in Massachusetts defined marriage in a rather amorphous fashion, simply as, quote, 'the establishment of intimacy.' Now, I think we all agree there's much more to marriage than that."
"Sir, I'm sorry, it didn't," Maddow replied. She laid out all the uses of the word "intimacy" in the court's decision, showing that Hayworth's phrase was not in there.
"Well, that's fine," said Hayworth. "You and I can have a disagreement about that."
"Well, it either is true or it isn't," said Maddow. "It's empirical."