Josh Marshall

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Oh, what a tangled web we weave when at first we do talk trash ...

Q Thank you, Mr. President. As you said, the Security Council faces a vote next week on a resolution implicitly authorizing an attack on Iraq. Will you call for a vote on that resolution, even if you aren't sure you have the vote?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, first, I don't think -- it basically says that he's in defiance of 1441. That's what the resolution says. And it's hard to believe anybody is saying he isn't in defiance of 1441, because 1441 said he must disarm. And, yes, we'll call for a vote.

Q No matter what?

THE PRESIDENT: No matter what the whip count is, we're calling for the vote. We want to see people stand up and say what their opinion is about Saddam Hussein and the utility of the United Nations Security Council. And so, you bet. It's time for people to show their cards, to let the world know where they stand when it comes to Saddam.

U.S. officials also began laying the groundwork today for Bush to reverse his pledge to call for a Security Council vote, no matter how bad the vote count looked, because "it's time for people to show their cards." Under one scenario, the administration could say the resolution was being withdrawn at the request of the co-sponsors, Britain and Spain.

-- Washington Post
March 14th, 2003
Spain ate my homework ...

Did Jim Kelly cook the books? On Wednesday, Assistant Secretary of State James A. Kelly told a Senate Committee that "The enriched uranium issue, which some have assumed is somewhere off in the fog of the distant future, is not ... It is only probably a matter of months, not years, behind the plutonium [program]."

You can find the quote here in this article on the CNN website. (Reader beware: Seemingly because of sloppiness, the CNN article contains at least one significant factual error. So don't put a lot of weight in it beside the quotation.)

In any case, is North Korea's uranium program really that far along? It would make the administration look better if it were. But is it?

Don't be so sure.

In his statement, Kelly implied that unnamed others had some misunderstanding about what stage the uranium program was at. But that's misleading because the US intelligence community was the source of what Kelly now calls a misunderstanding.

Indeed, Jim Kelly was one of the sources of this 'misunderstanding'.

(Parenthetically, let's note that, on balance, Jim Kelly is one of the good guys in this whole Korea debacle, though he did once accuse the proprietor of TPM of being a practitioner of "hack journalism" because of an article which caused Kelly some difficulty.)

This change of story caught my eye. So I called up a few of the most wired Korea watchers in town to see what they'd heard. None of them knew what Kelly was talking about.

Now, let's be clear. The current Assistant Secretary of State for East Asia is going to have more immediate access to the latest intelligence data than almost anyone outside of government. Maybe some new information has come to light.

But this administration has already shown a distressing propensity to send the intell types back to the well again and again until they come up with intelligence that helps the administration's favored policy.

I'm going to do more digging on this. But we need to know more of what was behind Kelly's comment. He provided no reason for changing the time frame from that which administration officials had previously noted. So it looks a lot like he was massaging the data in order to retrospectively justify the administration's bobbling of the issue six months ago.

There was an article today in the Wall Street Journal's 'Best of the Web' column about center-left war-hawks who've pulled their support for military action against Iraq in light of the president's shockingly incompetent management of the country's foreign policy. James Taranto, the author of 'Best of the Web', is a tad condescending about the whole thing ...

The most charitable interpretation of this sudden hesitation is that our liberal friends are confused about ends and means. The liberation of Iraq is less important to them than the maintenance of what Marshall calls the "world security system"--meaning the U.N. and NATO. But the "world security system" is only a means to the end of world security ...
I'll be more charitable and call this simply a difference of opinion. Taranto, and those who believe as he does, see the decapitation of the Iraqi government as the linchpin of international peace and security. We see it as extremely important, but as a means to creating a more stable, safer world order. Fundamentally, we see the preservation of our key alliances and standing in the world, indeed the 'world security system' itself as even more important than Iraq. And when we see the president destroying those to get into Iraq, we have little choice but to say he's on the wrong track.

Taranto and Co. are following a fairly thin logic which states that since the UN didn't do what we wanted it to, it's defunct and irrelevant. Indeed, they seem to be saying the entire framework of American-sponsored global institutions and alliances is defunct because of this. And thus we have to start over completely from scratch. All I can suggest is that they pick up a copy of Karl Polanyi's masterful The Great Transformation to get some flavor of what really unstable international state systems look like and how fragile they can be.

(One point that deserves notice -- and which we'll try to return to -- is that the Bush crowd is now pursuing a logic on the international stage which is inherently self-validating. Every bust-up of an alliance, every disaster is proof that this or that alliance or relationship or global norm was worthless in the first place and thus we're even more right than we thought we were in bulldozing through.)

Taranto goes in for the same old canard of hanging our international diplomatic isolation on the perfidy of the French, even though it's clear that that is not what this is about.

Taranto later goes in for a more cutting interpretation of the center-left's change of heart, particularly focusing on TPM. The reason it seems is that our inner partisanship is finally coming out and we just can't resist an opportunity to stick it to the president. Taranto references this TPM post on the possible pullout of the British and writes, "Marshall is positively giddy about the possibility of Britain balking. Would he feel the same way if Bill Clinton or Al Gore were president?"

Let me quickly take these points in order. The charge of partisanship is laughably hollow since -- right or wrong -- those of us on the center-left who have supported military action against Iraq have amply demonstrated that our position on this issue runs contrary to partisan inclination. It's a good deal harder to carry the administration's water when you're not one of its cheerleaders. So the partisanship charge falls flat.

As to the question of giddiness, one simply can't compete with the young war-hawks of the right in this department. I mean, it's just not possible, is it? Speaking for myself, and perhaps for some other internationalists who feel as I do, part of our frustrated anger over the current impasse is watching the present administration traduce and plow under the work of half a century and seeing the administration's acolytes greet every new disaster and *&$#-up as a grand confirmation of their beliefs and principles. It's like we've been transported into some alternative reality where the debate about international relations is some awful mix of The McLaughlin Group and Lord of the Flies. As these folks should be starting to realize about now, months of this arrogant mumbo-jumbo eventually draws a response -- at home and abroad.

Well, they say that patriotism is the last refuge to which a scoundrel flees. But now, it seems, Richard Perle is trying a different approach. He's suing Seymour Hersh for his article about him in The New Yorker.

He's suing him ... in Great Britain.

(As long as Perle is getting knocked around -- unfairly, I think -- for alleged dual loyalties, this doesn't exactly seem like a step in the right direction. Does it? I suppose it may be some sort of clever loyalty triangulation strategy, but still ... )

The UK of course has no 1st amendment. And British law makes it notoriously easy for plaintiffs to win libel suits.

As long as we're on the subject, The New York Sun's article announcing the suit leaves a bit to be desired. I like The Sun. I just bought a copy on the newsstand a couple days ago in New York to read on the train. And the article appropriately states at the bottom of the copy that Perle is a director of a company, Hollinger International Inc., which is an investor in The Sun.

But normally when there's such a connection or conflict you bend over backwards to write a straight-up story and not weight it in your guy's favor. But The Sun article quotes Perle, New Yorker editor David Remnick, and two of Perle's foreign policy/neocon intellectual buddies, Stephen Bryen and Laurent Murawiec.

They of course both trash Hersh. (Bryen: "It’s pretty outrageous for a leftwing columnist to make accusations like this with no factual basis. Most of the many hours he works each day are pro bono to help the administration with its policy on Iraq. He should get is a medal of honor." Presumably, if Byron York were the writer, it wouldn't be as bad?) Not exactly 'fair and balanced,' you might say. Murawiec, you'll remember, is the former LaRouchie who Perle last year invited to give a powerpoint presentation at the Pentagon last year, which recommended seizing the Saudi oilfields and pursuing regime change in Egypt.

A few quick points. First, I know many TPM readers have been turned off by Mickey Kaus's harping on the New York Times and alleged liberal media bias in general. But he's got a very good run of posts going on the continuing defections of liberal war-hawks and their efforts to come up with some way both to satisfy the United States' fundamental needs in Iraq and unwind the mess the Bush administration has created. Also, take a look at this editorial on Tony Blair's passion -- in the christological sense of the word -- in The Guardian. A lot of us have long had the sense that the Bush administration would use Blair for all he was worth and then toss his political carcass aside like an old banana peel once they were done with him. Yesterday's embarrassing Rumsfeld episode provided some confirmation.

Is the UK about to become part of 'Old Europe' too? Get new copy ready at NRO and the Weekly Standard! Quick! Don't get caught flat-footed if the storyline changes!!! Surrender Monkeys with bad teeth? Tony the Ferret? What will Jonah's new money quote be???

"Let us not assassinate this lad further, Senator. You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?"

The words -- those of Joseph Welch -- have grown trite and hackneyed by repetition over the last half century. And they're heavily barnacled with a sort of comforting, but facile sanctimony. But they represent a critical moment in American history, the moment when Senator Joe McCarthy finally undid himself, the moment when his boorishness, opportunism and indifference to the truth finally became fully manifest to the great majority of the American people.

There's been a lot of talk over the last couple days of a remark Richard Perle made on Wolf Blitzer's show over the weekend when asked to comment on a critical article about him by Seymour Hersh in the New Yorker.

He said Hersh was "the closest thing American journalism has to a terrorist."

It was an ugly comment and a stupid comment. But altogether I think it amounted to more than that. It -- along with Blitzer's response -- was a Joseph Welch moment.

Let's go through the whole exchange ...

BLITZER: There's an article in the New Yorker magazine by Seymour Hersh that's just coming out today in which he makes a serious accusation against you that you have a conflict of interest in this because you're involved in some business that deals with homeland security, you potentially could make some money if, in fact, there is this kind of climate that he accuses you of proposing.

Let me read a quote from the New Yorker article, the March 17th issue, just out now. "There is no question that Perle believes that removing Saddam from power is the right thing to do. At the same time, he has set up a company that may gain from a war."

PERLE: I don't believe that a company would gain from a war. On the contrary, I believe that the successful removal of Saddam Hussein, and I've said this over and over again, will diminish the threat of terrorism. And what he's talking about is investments in homeland defense, which I think are vital and are necessary.

Look, Sy Hersh is the closest thing American journalism has to a terrorist, frankly.

BLITZER: Well, on the basis of -- why do you say that? A terrorist?

PERLE: Because he's widely irresponsible. If you read the article, it's first of all, impossible to find any consistent theme in it. But the suggestion that my views are somehow related for the potential for investments in homeland defense is complete nonsense.

BLITZER: But I don't understand. Why do you accuse him of being a terrorist?

PERLE: Because he sets out to do damage and he will do it by whatever innuendo, whatever distortion he can -- look, he hasn't written a serious piece since Maylie (ph).

BLITZER: All right. We're going to leave it right there.

The closest thing American journalism has to a terrorist. On the one hand, it's obviously just a silly statement, incomparable to the stakes involved in the McCarthy setting. But it was a despicable statement nonetheless. Blitzer clearly saw it as such and immediately called him on it. And Perle couldn't even begin to justify his statement. His attempts were laughable. Trust me, if lacking a theme in your articles made you close to a terrorist most of my friends and I would be down in Guantanamo with burlap sacks over our heads. It was a particularly despicable statement considering that Perle's whole calling card these days is whipping people over the horrible dangers of terrorism and terrorists (not that they aren't horrible, of course.) For him to shoot back with that word in that context spoke volumes about who he is and what his personal rules of engagement are. To me it was a Joseph Welch moment. I hope others will see it that way too.

Lest there be any doubt, Congressman Jim Moran's comments really were way beyond the pale. And frankly I think the response has been too muted. Joe Lieberman said: "The comments made by Jim Moran recently were deeply offensive and morally wrong. Such sentiments are inconsistent with the ideals of tolerance and diversity upon which our nation was founded. Comments like these have no place in our public discourse."

That sounds a touch mild to me. I'm not in the business of saying people should resign. That's for their constituents to decide. But this is a fairly big deal. I guess that given the nature of the statement it's really up to a non-Jewish pol to lower the boom on Moran.

(Moran told a town meeting in his Northern Virginia district that "if it were not for the strong support of the Jewish community for this war with Iraq, we would not be doing this" and later suggested that Jewish leaders could get the war called off.)

There's been a debate recently over whether it's somehow anti-Semitic to discuss the fact that the president's foreign policy team is heavily weighted with a number of advisors -- a number of them Jewish -- who are big supporters of the Sharon government in Israel and that these advisors have been decisive in pushing the case for war within the administration. (Let's not forget that two of these advisors are Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld, who are -- in case you didn't know it -- not members of the tribe.) As Mike Kinsley said recently, "It is the proverbial elephant in the room: Everybody sees it, no one mentions it." Lawrence Kaplan notwithstanding, it's a real issue. (I'll say more about this whole issue later.)

I hope our public debate is flexible and astute enough to see that the one thing is entirely unacceptable and the other is completely appropriate.

I was walking up toward Dupont Circle from the Starbucks at Connecticut and N Street this afternoon when I walked past three neatly-dressed older men -- one Korean, another perhaps a Brit -- standing outside a building on Connecticut Avenue. They had that slightly awkward but still dignified look of important folks waiting for the driver to pull up or just hawking about trying to decide where to get dinner. Who knows? Anyway, I noticed they were all wearing name tags. And whenever I see that I always try to get a look to see who the people are, what the organization is, and so forth. What did I see?


You've never seen longer faces.

Now to some really interesting information from today's uber-insider-connected Nelson Report. We may be near a breakthrough on the Korea stand-off. No, not between North Korea and the United States, a breakthrough in the tense stand-off between the State Department, the Pentagon and the OVP.

Now here's the scoop. And bear in mind there's a good measure of scuttlebutt and informed speculation mixed into this report. But I made some phone calls myself on this matter, and there does seem to be something to this. The word is that Dick Cheney may be gravitating toward tactical alliance with Colin Powell over Korea. Cheney seems to be thinking that as fun as regime change in Pyongyang might be, the US is focused on Iraq and then later on Iran. And he doesn't want Korea blowing up while the US has important business to get done in the Persian Gulf. (Even global hegemons have to set priorities!) A Cheney trip to the region in April could be the catalyst for a shift in policy.