Please, please, please bring back the subjunctive mood!!! I can’t take it. No more ‘if Governor Bush becomes president.’ Or ‘should Bush become the president.’ No ‘were Bush to be the next president.’ Not even the semi-heart-breaking ‘assuming Bush becomes the next president.’ We’re down to ‘when Governor Bush is sworn in â¦’ Ahhh! The fatal ‘is.’ I guess it depends on what your definition of ‘is’ is. But clearly it doesn’t mean anything good.
(Uggh! Candy Crowley on CNN just said the ‘Bush Era’.)
Okay, let’s go to the Talking Points doomsday grab bag.
1. A Talking Points quote of the day. This one from Lois Frankel, the Democratic Minority Leader of the Florida House of Representatives (basically the Sunshine state Dick Gephardt).
“Let’s take our energy. We’re going to fix those machines, we’re going to register those voters, we are going to learn to vote right and come two years, we will leave no chad behind.”
Leave no chad behind! I like it. Even sounds a little like a southerner saying ‘leave no child behind.’ (Try it. You’ll see what I mean.)
2. And now to the decision. If you only read one paragraph in the whole bundle of Supreme Court concurrences and dissents, read Section A of Justice Souter’s Dissent. (Hey, don’t be so lazy. It’s only one paragraph. Trust me, it’s worth reading.)
And the most stunning part of the Per Curiam brief (the majority opinion):
“The individual citizen has no federal constitutional right to vote for electors for the President of the United States unless and until the state legislature chooses a statewide election as the means to implement its power to appoint member of the Electoral College.”
Section II, B
Perhaps true. But still stunning.
3. Got an email today from a friend sending me a link to a Bush parody based on The Grinch. I went and looked at it and for the first ten seconds it seemed totally moronic (and I started to wonder about my friend). But he’s right. It’s actually really funny. Take a peek.
4. And finally, inevitably, a picture. This picture comes from The Hindu, one of India’s national newspapers. I think many newspapers must have a machine called a goof-alizer. These are special machines that you run a photo through and a relatively normal-looking person comes out looking like a complete doofus. Apparently The Hindu has a damn good goofalizer. See for your self.
What did I tell ya?
P.S. I promise: after this I will get over my hurt about Gore, grow up a bit, and stop making fun of how people look.
Ugghh! I wanted to help the Gore folks see if there was any wiggle room in the Court’s 5-4 decision. Everyone is saying it certainly looks like a defeat. But equal protection, changing the law, not changing the law, standards, no standards. The decision is so complex. It takes a while to puzzle through every part.
But I think I’ve found the crucial passage. And I have to admit it looks like black letter law. In Rehnquist’s majority opinion, page 3, sub-section 4, footnote 2, it says “said recount plainly violates the George W. Bush protection clause of the United States constitution …”
Ouch! Hard to find a way around that.
Let me see if I understand this.
Florida wants to have a recount. But handling and interpreting different votes in slightly different ways is a violation of the constitutional rights of certain voters – presumably those voters who get their votes scrutinized more strictly than others. But how to come up with a standard? Ehh! Let’s just not count any of them.
Or, there’s another possibility. “Voter intent” is too imprecise a standard to insure fairness and basic equity. And every voter’s rights have to be upheld. But there’s just not enough time to work all this out. So, hey, let’s just not count any of them.
Am I missing something?
Talking Points doesn’t go in for quick-hits or cheap-shots. No childish humor or graceless attacks at other people’s expense.
But let’s just make this one exception, okay?
Look at this picture, which recently appeared in the Washington Post, and tell me whether this is the real Tom DeLay or the wax replica of Tom DeLay in the Tom DeLay Heritage Museum in Sugar Land, Texas.
Hard to tell, isn’t it?
You can send your answers here.
(Come on … You know you see it too. You know it’s funny.)
P.S. Next post, back to incisive political analysis.
Is Joseph Klock the Rosencranz and Guildenstern of this tragic saga or what? I was trying to decide whether he was the Rosencranz or the Guildenstern but then I decided he was oafish and clumsy and ineffectually devious enough to be both. (Klock, of course, is the attorney for Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris.)
In the first run through before the Florida Supremes Klock’s strategy seemed to be to get in the face of the Justices as much as possible and pepper his shaky legal arguments with throw-away lines from Hardball.
He did a bit more of that today. But apparently the Cosmic Director of this sorry little show wanted to add a pinch more comic relief and had Klock consecutively misnaming Justices Stevens and Souter (calling Justice Stevens Justice Brennan and Justice Souter Justice Breyer.) Even Scalia couldn’t resist whacking him around a bit. The Supremes momentarily broke out of their heated tones to have some fun ritually hazing this hapless rube.
(I saw Olson flub a name last week, addressing one Justice when he was being addressed by another. But addressing a dead man was a particularly canny move on Klock’s part.)
There wasn’t much fun to be had in the Court for Gore-ites today. But at least Klock gave everyone a good laugh.
P.S. Did you notice Rehnquist repeatedly asking Boies whether the Florida Supremes ordered the statewide recount in the interests of ‘fairness.’ I think that was a trap. But Boies seemed to fall into it. I suspect Rehnquist thinks that decision in the interest of ‘fairness’ would on its face constitute something more than the straight interpretation of statutes that is all the US Supremes say the law allows.
This is a classic bait-and-switch. If they try to make it fair they’re changing the rules. If they don’t it’s an equal protection violation.
A conservative friend of mine writes and asks why the US Supreme Court’s judicial activist decision to stop the Florida recount is any more troubling than the Florida Supreme Court’s judicial activist decision to start it.
Quite apart from the particulars of the law (on which I believe the Floridians are on much stronger ground) isn’t the answer to this question elementary? In a democracy, decisions to count votes are inherently more legitimate than decisions to ignore them.
P.S. Next post Talking Points drops the portentous tone and goes back to the signature snarky comments.
P.P.S. Looking for more portentous, but quite accurate, comments on today’s oral arguments before the Supreme Court? Take a peek at Edward Lazarus in The Washington Post, Bob Herbert (particularly biting and good) in The New York Times, Anthony Lewis in The New York Times, and even the lead editorial in The New York Times.
Talking Points can rant and rave about the transparent partisanship of the Supreme Court’s Saturday decision as much as he wants. But when the New York Times’ Supreme Court reporter says essentially the same thing, well â¦ then you know it really must be true.
(Alas, conservative Talking Points readers may find fault with that analysis. But, hey, if you’re so conservative, what are you doing reading Talking Points in the first place? … Just kidding, just kidding. Talking Points loves his conservative readers too.)
Anyway, back to my story.
Here are three choice grafs from Linda Greenhouse’s article in Sunday’s New York Times:
Justice Scalia said it was “the counting of votes that are of questionable legality” that was “casting a cloud,” not on the process in general but specifically on what Mr. Bush “claims to be the legitimacy of his election.”
In other words, the majority’s justification for the stay was that if the vote counting proceeded and had appeared to make Vice President Al Gore the winner by the time the court could decide the merits of Mr. Bush’s appeal, the Bush position would be untenable as a political matter even if it prevailed as a matter of law.
That justification put the court in the position of seeming to protect Mr. Bush – who has endorsed Justices Scalia and Clarence Thomas, named to the court by his father, as his ideal justices – from whatever uncomfortable truth the uncounted ballots might reveal. The fact that the justices entered the stay at midafternoon Saturday, with the counting under way and most of it expected to conclude at 2 p.m. on Sunday, gave the court the appearance of racing to beat the clock before an unwelcome truth could come out.
That qualifier ‘seeming’ in the first sentence of the third graf must be the price which common sense must pay to the canons of reportorial objectivity.
Ahha! As long as we’re talking about complete irrelevancies which are nonetheless terribly fun to point out, it turns out that one of Bush attorney Ted Olson’s law partners is none other than Eugene Scalia. As in Justice Antonin Scalia’s son.
Olson, of course, will be arguing for Governor Bush in tomorrow’s oral arguments before the US Supreme Court. This, presumably, because he has wrapped up work on the Arkansas Project, the multi-million dollar effort to dig up dirt on Bill Clinton funded by Richard Mellon-Scaife and run through The American Spectator Magazine.
Ahhh â¦ but I digress. Does Scalia have a conflict of interest? Has Scalia Jr. done any work on the Bush case? Should Scalia, Sr. step aside?
Of course, none of this matters (Supreme Court Justices don’t recuse themselves); but isn’t fun to point out as long as Scalia completely tipped his hand in his utterly transparent concurring opinion to the stay order?
But perhaps we’re not being thorough enough on this whole recusal question. Souter and Thomas were appointed by George W.’s dad. Surely they have a conflict and should step aside, right? And in all fairness Breyer and Ginsburg were appointed by Bill Clinton and Al Gore is Clinton’s vice-president. So they should step aside too. And if you’re going to go by that standard Rehnquist, Scalia, O’Connor and Kennedy were appointed by Ronald Reagan. And George W.’s father was his vice-president. So they should step aside.
That just leaves Ford-appointee John Paul Stevens…
I can live with that.
Okay, forget about Joe Lieberman. Let’s make it Gore-Boies (it even has a nice, good ole boy sound to it.) I know we’re supposed to reflexively despise all lawyers and all their shenanigans. But I have to confess: I’m really starting to like this guy.
Boies was on Meet the Press this morning with Tim Russert and it was really a tour de force. If you’re on the West Coast and can still watch it, do so. Or if you have Nexis be sure to look at the transcript.
I’m currently writing an unrelated article in which I have to praise (painful as it is) Russert. But this was a sterling example of how thoroughly a well-versed and articulate advocate can bulldoze through an often-factually-challenged interviewer, even one with Russert’s Rock-em, Sock-em, Robots style.
Russert: How do you respond to charges ‘x’, ‘y’, and ‘z’?
Boies: Well, actually, Tim, ‘x’ is ‘p’ and ‘y’ is ‘q’ and you don’t really seem to have understood ‘z.’
Let’s just say that’s my paraphrase. But look at the transcript and tell me if you disagree.
P.S. My sources tell me that Boies will be arguing for Gore before the Supreme Court. Not Larry Tribe. Why not? Lead with your clutch hitter.
Yet another quotation from over the wires that requires little explanation:
“It’s remarkable that the same justices who have argued against judicial activism have intervened here with extreme judicial activism by telling a state’s highest court that it cannot decide a matter of state law … This is very bad for the Supreme Court because their credibility is so diminished, and their moral posture is so diminished, that it could take years to pull back from that.”
Senator Patrick Leahy D-VT, Ranking Member, Senate Judiciary Committee
A few sentences into John Paul Stevens’ dissent you find the key sentence – right on the law and on democratic principles …
“Counting every legally cast vote cannot constitute irreparable harm.”
— John Paul Stevens, writing in dissent, George W. Bush et. al. v. Albert Gore, Jr. et. al. on Application for Stay, December 9, 2000
George W. Bush spent most of the campaign telling voters and journalists that Antonin Scalia was his favorite Justice on the Supreme Court.
Apparently Scalia feels the same way about George W.!
Talking Points has been bellowing on for several days now about the impropriety of questioning the integrity of the rulings of judges.
Well â¦ that was this morning’s post. Things change!
Let’s look at Antonin Scalia’s highly unusual concurring opinion to the court’s order to suspend vote counting in Florida. After arguing, improbably, that George W. Bush would be irreparably harmed by having undervotes counted, Scalia wrote the following:
Another issue in the case, moreover, is the propriety, indeed the constitutionality, of letting the standard for determination of voters’ intent – dimpled chads, hanging chads, etc. – vary from county to county, as the Florida Supreme Court opinion, as interpreted by the Circuit Court, permits.
How can this be anything but an astonishingly inconsistent (not to say hypocritical) statement? The Florida Supremes explicitly adopted the statutory standard put in place by the Florida legislature (see this earlier post for more details). The whole basis of the US Supreme Court’s earlier ruling was that the state legislature had plenary power to determine the method of the election. Not just the state broadly speaking, but the legislature.
Can they have it both ways? The standard Scalia finds so suspect is the one the legislature put in place. And the court is on record as holding that the legislature has the power to set the standard. Am I missing something here? Or is Scalia?
P.S. Scalia’s argument is bogus on a more mundane factual level. His reasoning would also mean that using different voting technology from county to county is also problematic or, perhaps to his lights, unconstitutional. (Special Talking Points’ shout-out to TPM reader Stephen Schwartz for pointing this out.)
P.P.S. Am I wrong to fear that the five members of the Supreme Court majority have knowingly just prejudged, even settled, the matter by running down the clock?
Two quick points. First: As I said in this earlier post, the courts are determinative and their hearings and rulings will proceed. But Democrats should be focusing on this political argument:
The question isn’t whether the Bushies have the legal power to stop, slow-roll, or stymie the Florida Supreme Court’s order. The question is why they want to.
The answer is obvious, isn’t it?
Second: During and since the contest trial under Judge N. Sanders Sauls it has become clear that Judge Sauls has fairly conservative political and judicial leanings. He is certainly as strict-constructionist and conservative as the Florida Supremes are interpretivist and liberal. But you heard very little of this argument from Dems after his ruling. Certainly nothing like the bloody talk from Republicans attacking the Florida Supreme Court after their 4-3 ruling in favor of Al Gore.
Now the US Supreme Court has stayed the recount on a narrow 5-4 decision with all the conservative justices ruling for suspending the recount. Sound familiar? I think we’re about to see one of the many differences between Republicans and Democrats.
Wait a second. Aren’t the Republicans hoisting themselves on their own petard?
One of the key Republican arguments currently before the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals and the US Supreme Court is that the current recount is ‘standardless’ and thus a violation of both the equal protection and due process guarantees of the 14th Amendment. The argument here is that the Florida Supreme Court set no guidelines for what constitutes voter intent. And thus each county can arrive at rules at their own discretion.
The Court’s order stated:
In tabulating the ballots and in making a determination of what is a “legal” vote, the standards to be employed is that established by the Legislature in our election code which is that the vote shall be counted as a “legal” vote if there is “clear indication of the intent of the voter.”
On the face of it, the Republican argument seems to have at least an arguable merit. This is a very ambiguous standard.
But the whole weight of the Republican claim across the board is that the state legislature has a basically absolute and unreviewable power to make the rules for the election. So how can the federal courts gainsay the (admittedly problematic) standard promulgated explicitly by the state legislature?
So what will we find in those piles of undervotes? The Washington Post leads with its analysis that says Gore stands to come out ahead even in counties that Bush won in the overall vote. An analysis by Knight-Ridder (reported here in the Detroit Free Press), however, comes to the opposite conclusion: that Bush stands to gain.
But the KR analysis is “based on the assumption that undervotes split in the same proportion that each county’s vote for president did” – an assumption almost everyone else disagrees with. There is a broad consensus that undervotes are disproportionately located in poorer and/or more heavily African-American precincts. (The result of some vile conspiracy? No, poorer areas have more of the rickety old ballot machines that churn out more undervotes and the surge in African-American voters brought in many new or occasional voters who had less experience using the voting machines. Thus, apparently, more undervotes.) This AP article argues that this was the case in Duvall county. Congresswoman Corrine Brown told the AP that “Of the county’s 4,967 Duval County undervotes, 1,413 were cast in predominantly black districts that carried Al Gore by more than 90 percent.”
This article in the Philly Inquirer gives a run-down of the contending ‘whose votes are they?’ theories.
P.S. We have a winner in the (admittedly as yet unannounced) One-Time-Respectable- Republican-Turned-Incendiary-Hack contest. The prize goes to Jack Kemp. The following graf from Rick Berke’s article in today’s NYT:
To further that point, the Republican Party hurriedly issued a statement by Jack Kemp, the vice presidential nominee four years ago. “Today, America has witnessed a judicial coup d’etat by the Florida Supreme Court unprecedented in modern history,” he said.
That’s the hack, Jack.
P.P.S. We’ve already seen and noted in earlier posts that the John McCain-Chuck Hagel crew in the Senate has been among the most temperate, and least Bush-shilling, groups of Republicans in their statements about the Florida fracas. Hagel seems to be keeping it up.
Again from Berke’s article in the NYT.
Senator Hagel said he was worried about the tenor of the oratory from his colleagues and advised them not to let it get out of hand. “I think we should be very very careful of what we say and very measured,” he said. But Mr. Hagel said he did not see the matter being resolved soon. “I don’t know what you do to stop it,” he said. “The only thing you could do is one of these guys steps up and says, `I’m not going to put the country through that,’ because Constitutionally both men have every right to go on with this.”
P.P.P.S. Want more info on the doings of Senator McCain? This article of mine in The American Prospect details McCain’s successful efforts on behalf of Republican congressional candidates during the last election, and says what it might mean for McCain in the next congress.
Talking Points isn’t sure he really grasped the full meaning of the word ‘Schadenfreude’ until this moment.
(‘Schadenfreude’? Websters defines it as “enjoyment obtained from the troubles of others.” Doesn’t it figure you’d have to go to German to find a word that describes such an ugly sentiment?)
But boy is he feeling it now.
Right now he’s really enjoying watching the dread and rage on the face of Bush attorney Phil Beck as he tries, rather obviously, to tell Judge Terry Lewis that he basically needs to undo or ignore what the Florida Supremes just told Lewis to do.
Nice try, Phil.
At one point Beck argued that determining a rule or standard for judging undervotes (dimples, pregnant, etc.) would mean ‘changing the rules after the election.’ But then Judge Lewis shot back: don’t the Republicans also argue that there is no standard? How can you change the standard when there is no standard determined, he asked.
Good point, judge!
And now Beck is serving up the bogus argument about undervotes and discrimination against Cuban-Americans in Miami-Dade. (Here’s the doctrine about why counting only undervotes is fair.)
“enjoyment obtained from the troubles of others â¦”
You got that right.
First, read this excellent column by Mike Kinsley. It’s worth your while.
Now down to business. Isn’t it time for the Democrats to MASSIVELY raise the volume against Republican attempts to prevent the hand recounts just ordered by the state Supreme Court? The Florida Supreme Court ordered hand recounts of undervotes not just in those three or four Democratic counties, but in every county in the state where ballots are in dispute. What is their argument on the merits against doing so? What reasons can there be aside from a fear that such a count will show that their candidate didn’t win?
(Think only counting undervotes is unfair? Here’s the Talking Points doctrine on that issue.)
Shift the argument. Let the courts go their way. What the Democrats have been lacking in the last couple weeks are well-argued political arguments. The question isn’t whether the Bushies have the legal power to stop, slow-roll, or stymie the Florida Supreme Court’s order. The question is why they want to.
And of course there’s only one answer. They want to win whether they got the most votes or not.
Simple as that.
Where to begin? I heard a few days ago on a chat show that the Florida Supreme Court had had some dealings with Judge N. Sanders Sauls and that they had disciplined him for misbehavior. I looked like crazy on Nexis to find a transcript of the statement, which I believe was from some Florida lawyer, but to no avail. So, fair or not, the New York Times scooped me.
Just think. This could have been the big scoop that put Talking Points on the map! But no dice.
Anyway, we’re obviously going to be hearing a lot about the Sauls-FLA Supremes feud in the coming days.
So what’s next:
1. The Bush team will have to reel in the warm-and-fuzzy nicey-nice card it’s been playing for the last few days with Gore. Back to James Baker and his trademark shiv in the gut.
2. What does all this really matter if the Florida state legislature can assign the electors anyway? It matters a lot. Because if nothing else it forces the Republicans to win ugly, very ugly. And that changes everything. Even possibly the dynamics in the Congress.
3. Republicans in the House go even more insane than they were before. Even before this happened Tom DeLay was threatening Clinton with shutting down the government unless the president caves on the budget.
4. Once Gore moves ahead in the recount, if he does (yes, a big if), then everything changes.
5. Okay, #4 was pretty damned obvious. Sorry.
P.S. Emerging spin watch:
All this time I thought the hand recount in Miami-Dade stopped because there wasn’t enough time to finish or because that Republican mau-mau intimidated the Board of Canvassers into stopping. But apparently I was wrong. According to Johnnie Byrd, Florida Republican state representative and co-chair of the select joint committee to appoint presidential electors, they did it to help Al Gore. Who woulda thunk it?. Here’s Byrd last night on Larry King Live:
Well, I think you can count these votes forever. The real question is, why did the recount stop in Miami-Dade and I think the reason that it stopped is that the vote trend was going toward Bush. So, we can count and count forever and litigate forever but to make sure that Floridians are represented in the Electoral College, we need to put some finality to it.
So that’s what happened.
P.P.S. Wait a second! If Gore wins, then Lieberman has to resign from the Senate to become Veep. Then Trent Lott is actually the Majority Leader again. Then what will I do? No more Parity Leader! (Don’t understand the reference? See this earlier post.)
You’ll no doubt remember that in this earlier post Talking Points coined the derisive title “Parity Leader” to describe (okay, make fun of) Trent Lott’s new status as pseudo-Majority Leader of the now evenly divided Senate.
Well now Talking Points’ catchy phrase is catching on!
An OpEd column in today’s New York Post picks it up and runs with it. “Maybe Democrats should call him Parity Leader Lott?” the column snidely, and only half-rhetorically, asks.
Okay, okay! Fine, fine! â¦ I admit it: I wrote the column in the Post. But I don’t see where that changes anything. It’s still catching on. By the end of next week you’ll be hearing it from snide Dems on Crossfire and Hardball. Trust me. It’s gonna happen.
Why else would it be called the Talking Points Memo?
Who says Talking Points readers aren’t the smartest folks on the web? After reading last night’s post two intrepid Pointsters showed me how the Republicans were right (!) and how I’d been wrong all along about the brouhaha in Seminole and Martin counties.
Tossing out those absentee ballots isn’t a matter of disenfranchisement, it’s an issue of basic fairness! Not to Al Gore, but to the voters themselves.
Why didn’t they complete the forms? These absentee voters went up to the brink and then didn’t pull the trigger. They clearly had second thoughts – just like those non-chad-whacking African-American and elderly Jewish voters down state. These are really just more protest voters who decided not to vote for anyone at all.
Fuhggedaboutit! It happens in Florida all the time.
Ahha! Ahha! Caught in the act! Who am I talking about? Andrew Sullivan!
For several weeks now, as a regular reader of andrewsullivan.com I’ve been watching Sullivan pillory my guy Al Gore for all manner of crimes, inconsistencies, villanies, violations of this canon and that. But now I’ve caught him.
In the course of a post gently attacking Rick Hertzberg’s most recent column in the New Yorker about the moral argument for Al Gore’s case, Sullivan writes:
The point of a Republican system of government is precisely to undermine the simple conflation of majority and morality.
Sounds right … But wait! Don’t we mean here ‘republican’ as in Machiavelli and Harrington and Sidney and Locke and Shaftesbury?
(Who are these people? Doesn’t matter. It’s Talking Points showing a little one-time-graduate-student- of-Early-Modern-English-history leg. Indulge him. It’s knowledge he can’t put to any other use.)
Back to my story.
What’s with the capital-R? You only use the capital-R when you’re talking about the Republican party. What’s going on here? A Freudian slip? Perhaps so.
P.S. Talking Points would like to stipulate that he chatted with Sullivan last week and Sullivan was perfectly charming. Sullivan is a Washington big-wig and Talking Points is, well … a small-wig. So he’s really hoping Sullivan will take this whole little outburst in good humor. Really hoping.
Just when I’m starting to think the Republicans might â¦might have the better part of the argument about whether or not improperly filed absentee ballots ought to be tossed out in Seminole and Martin counties, well, along comes Jim Nicholson, chairman of the Republican National Committee. I don’t know what else to say but that Nicholson is just a snarling and ferocious character. And his constant effort to paste a smile over his nasty outbursts just gives him an even more menacing appearance.
Okay, enough ranting about Jim Nicholson. Back to my point.
Republicans and the New York Times editorial page have a good point arguing that it’s unseemly for Gore to possibly be benefiting from throwing out thousands of absentee ballots of voters who committed no intentional fraud. It certainly gives me pause.
Nicholson is on MSNBC at roughly 9:20 PM on Wednesday night. He’s debating Ed Rendell, chairman of the DNC. Rendell offers to Nicholson that the Dems will drop every lawsuit to every ballot if the Republicans will agree to a hand recount of the ballots in every county in Florida – especially of course those choice ballots in Miami-Dade. Nicholson responds that there’s no reason to recount those votes, the much-mentioned ‘undervotes,’ because those are ballots of people who intentionally did not cast a vote for president. And then he tosses in that Democrats just can’t wait to disenfranchise Bush voters – and, in a gratuitous flourish, that they especially want to disenfranchise military voters.
So here you have the rub. Everyone who is even remotely honest concedes that the bulk of those undervotes in Miami-Dade and other counties are from people who tried to vote. Maybe they didn’t vote correctly. Maybe their intentions are unrecoverable. But no one seriously thinks all those people went to the polls and intentionally didn’t vote for a candidate in the race that most everybody cared most about.
So you have Jim Nicholson making an assertion that is transparent and deceitful crap. And tossing in a few slurs for good measure.
What this really comes down is that folks like Jim Nicholson can lie in transparently ridiculous ways and in so doing attempt to exclude numerous ballots. But if Democrats – or private citizens trying to help them – try to knock out illegally cast ballots they’re unprincipled slime. Democrats, it seems, have to play by Marquis of Queensbury rules, while no rules appear to apply to Republicans.
Democrats believe that they would win the election if all the votes were counted. And they have good reason to think this is so. If this is the case how wrong is it to knock out votes if in so doing you’d arrive at the outcome that a full tabulation of the votes would show? Or to put it another way, is it possible to steal your own car?
Is this really an unfair way of looking at it?
I’m anything but oblivious to the morally suspect nature of this sort of reasoning. But I put it forth to show the difficulty of contesting an election under rules which the other side seems uninterested in following.
So what to do?
If it were legally feasible to make such a deal (and I’m quite sure it’s not) the ethical use of the Seminole and Martin ballots would be to do the following: get the ballots excluded by legal process. Then go to the Republicans and say ‘fine, you wanna play that way. Then we win. But if you’ll agree to a hand recount in every county in the state then we’ll withdraw out objections to these ballots. And we’ll live by the outcome of those hand recounts without recourse to tossing out those absentee ballots. Take your choice.’
Possible? Of course not.
P.S. If, in the course of the Seminole and Martin county trials, it turns out that Republicans were extended the opportunity to correct their ballots while Democrats were not, well â¦ then all bets are off. I say throw ’em out.
P.P.S. Watching how worked up Nicholson just got I’m almost tempted to think the Dems might still have a chance at this. Almost.
Today Talking Points came across this little snippet in an article by Curt Anderson of the Associated Press:
Sen. John McCain, chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee and once Bush’s rival for the GOP nomination, said he has talked to Bush about moving campaign finance reform legislation and promised swift January confirmation hearings for Cabinet appointees.
This passage seems to imply that maybe Bush and McCain were trying to work out some sort of arrangement on this highly contentious issue. (McCain has vowed that “We will have blood all over the floor of the Senate” until soft money is banned.) That could either mean that Bush was becoming more flexible on campaign finance reform and expressing a willingness to compromise on McCain-Feingold or it could mean that McCain himself was drawing off his commitment to push forward on the bill as the first order of business in the 107th congress, no matter what. Either possibility would be quite distressing to me, errâ¦ Talking Points, but for very different reasons.
Talking Points would hate to see McCain, whom he admires a lot, flake on his signature issue. But he’d also hate to see Bush see the light and jump on the campaign finance reform bandwagon. Eventually Bush will have to. Because the bill will pass the Senate this year. But if Bush gets religion now he’ll miss all the anguished blood-letting and political damage he’ll earn by opposing it till the bitter end. And that would take all the fun out of it.
So Talking Points looked into it. Turns out the article is a touch misleading. McCain spoke to Bush a few days after Thanksgiving mainly about the presidential contest and also brought up his decision to push for campaign funding reform in the next congress. But Bush didn’t have anything to say on that count. So, in other words, nothing has changed! McCain’s still gonna push it; Bush is still going to oppose it.
Or at least that’s how it looks right now.
This time Talking Points actually breaks some news on the on-going GOP-Senate-Leadership-in-Denial story. As regular TPM readers will know, Senate Republicans are currently divided between those who want to face the reality of a divided Senate and those who want to use Dick Cheney’s vote to pretend they possess something more than a purely nominal majority.
When Senate Republican committee chairmen met yesterday all but three wanted to keep to majority rules which would dictate that Republicans get more seat assignments than Democrats. Those three were Senators Ted Stevens at Appropriations, John McCain at Commerce, and Fred Thompson at Government Affairs.
Who says Talking Points never hooks you up?
Ahhhhh! So you didn’t believe Talking Points when he told you that Trent Lott was still living in denial about what happened in the Senate on November 7th? Well, maybe you’d be believe the New York Times? (Yeah, I thought so).
This article by Allison Mitchell describes how Senate Republicans are now divided between those who are willing to split resources and committee seats with Democrats and those who aren’t. Trent Lott’s in the second group and his conservative-heavy leadership team was just reelected. Their plan: screw the Democrats. With Dick Cheney’s vote, we still call the shots.
Note to Trent: Don’t bet on it.
The Daschle line:
“What I will simply say is that we will not be satisfied with anything less than a 50-50 split in the responsibilities and opportunities presented to this caucus and to their caucus in the next Congress.”
That sounds right.
For quote of the day Talking Points nominates these choice words Democratic strategist David Axelrod told the Philly Inquirer’s Dick Polman.
“[Al Gore] has fought his heart out, and he is getting an agonizing lesson in the unfairness of life. He knows in his own mind that he really won it, and that he was foiled by surreal circumstances. He has to process all that. The most difficult task of all is letting go.”
Talking Points hasn’t quite, totally, absolutely, positively, completely lost hope. But, ya know, we’re getting close.
Can someone do me a favor? I need someone to talk to Trent Lott. Talking Points has never had particularly fond feelings for, or cordial relations with, the Mississippi Republican. So he’s probably not the one to give Lott the news. But isn’t this getting a bit ridiculous?
That’s Lott in the picture. In case you’re wondering, he’s the Gulf Coast dandy with the ABSURDLY OVERSIZED feather in his cowboy hat. (Does this guy have something to prove? Is this some sort of sublimated courting ritual?)
Anyway, back to my story. Isn’t this getting a bit ridiculous?
On November 7th Lott had his head handed to him on a platter. But he apparently hasn’t felt around on his neck stump to notice that something is missing. Lott is starting to look like the little boy who goes to another kid’s birthday party and is the only one who doesn’t realize he ain’t the main attraction. Who’s gonna tell him?
That analogy doesn’t work for you? Well then he’s the has-been loser whose friends don’t have the heart to tell him to pack it in. Actually, wait a second. That’s not an analogy. That’s exactly what’s happening! He is a has-been loser whose friends don’t have the heart to tell him to pack it in!
Ever since he led his Senate caucus to a humiliatingly poor showing on November 7th Lott has been making the rounds, telling reporters he hopes Senator-elect Hillary Clinton gets struck by lightening, that maybe some Senate Democrats will die and put the Republicans back in the Majority. Occasionally he makes reassuring comments about reaching out to the minority party. Lott’s inappropriate bluster seems to grow at exactly the rate that his power diminishes. Maybe Don Nickles and Larry Craig need to organize some sort of intervention?
Trent â¦ buddy, amigo. You’re going to be the first Senate Majority Leader in history with no majority. The first one who needs a boost from the executive branch to get you into the big chair. Your colleagues on the Democratic side don’t think you’re the Majority Leader. And the only reason your Republican colleagues aren’t pitching you overboard is that they all think your job is going to suck. Don’t believe me? Take a peek at this article in The New Republic. In fact, let’s just ditch the ‘Majority Leader’ title. Can’t we just call you Parity Leader? It’s still a capitalized title. You still get the big office. But no more “Majority Leader,” okay? Not until you get another majority.
Talking Points just got his first blast email from something called the Bush-Cheney Presidential Transition Foundation, Inc.
(Not just a transition but a foundation. He really must be president.)
It says Dick Cheney’s going to be up on Capitol Hill tomorrow shmoozing with people from the House and the Senate.
P.S. Talking Points really doesn’t mean this in a flippant way. But didn’t this guy just have a heart attack? Shouldn’t he be taking it a bit easier?
Talking Points doesn’t think today’s double-barreled court decisions make it any more likely that George W. Bush will be our next president.
But it’s starting to look pretty clear that Dick Cheney will be.
Most observers have lauded President Clinton’s willingness to put vice-president Gore’s talents to use during their two terms in the office. But here’s one of the reasons you don’t want to use the vice-president as a de facto prime minister (or, let’s be honest, a de facto president.)
What if the president and the vice-president have a falling out? Or what if they break on a significant point of policy. With a Chief of Staff or a Secretary of State or a senior advisor, this isn’t a problem. The president fires them. Or they resign. But Bush can’t fire Dick Cheney. The vice-presidency is a constitutional office.
Now, I’m willing to admit that it’s hard to figure how Bush and Cheney would break on a significant policy issue since Cheney seems to tell Bush what to think on every policy issue.
But, hey, maybe W. will start reading books after he’s sworn in as president. Maybe he’s not dumb, just a late-bloomer?
Anyway, it’s worth thinking about.