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Leave Her Alone. Period.


When I first came across the Babygate diary post at DKos last night, I thought there was a legit story, but that the diarist should never have posted photos of the daughter (the pregnant one, I refuse to repeat her name).  It is the nightmare of all self-image nightmares to have the entire nation analyze the roundness of a sixteen year-old girl's mid-section.  Just icky and awful, in so many ways.

Now, we have the news that she couldn't have been pregnant then, because she's pregnant now.  Which completely ends the story.  The problematic behavior indicated by the original speculation was that the family made the daughter lie to cover up the "shame" of teenage sexual activity.  It would have indicated an archaic moral mindset whereby "fallen" girls were shipped off to convents to protect the family "honor."  Now that the family has revealed publicly that this same teenager, still unmarried, is pregnant, they have shown they do not follow this outmoded code of conduct. 

The argument that this story somehow reveals important information about the judgment of the VP candidate is akin to similar arguments about John Edwards and, yes, the big dog himself, Bill Clinton.  The GOP spent years arguing that Clinton's sexual behavior as President revealed a failure of character that spoke to his fitness to assess matters of public import.  It was a back-door argument that was easily refuted by Clinton's public record of sound judgment which gave us eight years of peace and prosperity.  Arguing that Babygate reveals shortcomings in McCain's and Palin's judgment is precisely the same back-door argument.  If Palin has formed reasonable positions on matters of foreign and domestic policy, then her decisions regarding the management of her own pregnancy or those of her daughter are completely irrelevant.  Just as Clinton's sexual dalliances were irrelevant to the performance of his public duties and obligations.

As to the politics behind the argument, there's nothing to be gained in the long run by stooping to their level.  It won't quash the conservative enthusiasm for her selection.  Evangelicals love nothing more than to forgive a repentant "sinner."  It allows them to combine feelings of superiority with offerings of purported charity.  I think the furthest this point can be taken is in Jake Tapper's question, "what would the right have done if Obama had a child in similar situation?"  But there isn't much to be gained there.  And I agree with Andrew Sullivan that the quickest way for this to be resolved is by releasing the candidate's medical records (which I thought was standard operating procedure), but that doesn't change my mind about the sancity of privacy in deciding matters of child-bearing. 

We'll have ample opportunity to examine Palin's quality as a potential VP.  She's a pork-loving pretender to the role of reformer.  She's a political ally of the uber-corrupt Ted Stevens.  She's a neophyte on foreign and national affairs.  She believes in Creationism, abstinence-only sex-education (which I detest regardless of her child's experience), and that the founders were still around when "under god" was added to the pledge of allegiance in the 1950s.  Her elevation comes out of a twin desire to poach Clinton supporters and stoke the ditto-head crowd (politics, strange bed-fellows, etc).  It shouldn't be that difficult to question her judgment, and the judgment of her benefactor at the top of the ticket.  Leave the children out of it.  Period.

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A good reason to quit reading DKos.

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I stopped reading DKos around the time that Kos stopped writing the bulk of it. Still, I don't think a single diarist (or diary entry) is sufficient cause to quit a particular site, especially one of that size. That said, since I stopped reading it quite a while ago, I don't really know much about the overall quality of commentary posted there.

You are of course right.

I quit reading DKos about a year and half ago as I found it a bit doctrinaire for my taste.

If it's true that the Obama campaign provided DKos with the babygate leads, I will be really upset. That's not how the movement is supposed to be.

This story has been in the Alaska papers since the beginning of the year. Obama's camp had nothing to do with this. If you are trying to establish your Concern Troll bonafides, keep posting stupid shit like this.

That Palin is using her daughter as chattel by marrying her off ASAP doesn't concern you.

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I have no idea what the daughter wants, nor am I willing to support any available method of dragging that information out into the public eye. Nor do I have any sense of her feelings toward the fiance, nor how well he treats her, nor his feelings for her, nor how he will treat the child. These are all intensely personal issues that have no place in our political discourse. Your assumption that she's "chattel" may be accurate, but we have no way of discovering that without violating their privacy.

Pickabone, please use common sense. Palin is running as a Christian Right hardliner as a sop to Republican evangelicals who don't like McCain. Do these evangelicals approve of single motherhood?
She HAS to marry the daughter off.
Like chattel.

And this 'disclosure' she released today is disingenuous. So I don't know why you regard this latest story as any more plausible than earlier versions.

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Common sense pulls me in two directions on this one. Gov Palin is a committed social conservative, who supports banning abortion and pre-marital-abstinence-only education as a substitute for reproductive health education. There are two possibilities with respect to her authenticity on these issues. She's either authentic or hypocritical.

I tend to believe that those who proclaim loudly in support of some prohibition are those who would practice such behavior to avoid social reproof. Thus, Larry Craig tries to rob homosexuals of their civil rights in order to cover up his own homosexuality. Thus, a vocal abortion rights and pre-marital sex opponent would plausibly force her child to abort a pregnancy to protect a political career. In other words, common sense might indicate that Gov. Palin tried to force her child to abort, against which parental demand the teenager rebelled, deciding to marry her mate instead.

On the other hand, you might be right, but that would indicate that her positions on abortion and sex education were authentic. So both of us believe Gov. Palin to be inauthentic in one way or another. I actually have a roughly equal belief in your assumption as in the alternative explanation I have presented.

My point is that to discover which is true, we would have to violate the sacred privacy of a minor, whose only offense against us is to be the child of a political opponent.

Palin's positions on how she wants to educate and raise her own children are fine. That only affects her children. But when she seeks elected office and seeks to impose her moral code on everyone else, that is a problem.

Palin and the rest of that "moral majority" operate under the notion that they are "choosing" life. But they demand that persons who would choose to terminate a pregnancy, or prevent an unwanted one in the first place, give up their choice to conform to morality police's dictates.
In a "free" society, that is untenable.

You said, "We'll have ample opportunity to examine Palin's quality as a potential VP. She's a pork-loving pretender to the role of reformer."

We don't have "ample" opportunity. We have 60 some days. People may seem like they are overreacting to trivial news, but it is all part of the process necessary to make a judgment, and formulate arguments that would be persuasive to other voters.

I know who I'm voting for. But this kind of inconsistency is a tool I can use as leverage on voters who might be swayed by a bullshit story about a bazooka-bearing beauty queen.

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We agree on the quality of the candidate. We agree on policy. We also seem to agree that policy takes precedence over the personal. And you may be right that 60 some days may no constitute "ample time." So I say let's not waste those 60 some days ruining an innocent teenager's life. The cost is too high when we have other better options. If we had no other better options, we would have to concede the candidate's quality. It should be enough that she's wrong on policy, that she's lied about her reform credentials, and that's she's manifestly unqualified.

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