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Democrats Should Be Applauding Obama for his superb Campaigning.
It's time Democrats stood up and applauded Barack Obama for his superbly ran campaign.
Obama came out of virtually nowhere, took on the DNC, the dynasty of Bill and Hillary Clinton, the religious right, the right wing media and political pundits and the media as a whole and he not only did that, he won the Democrats primary nomination.
He's taking on a famous military POW that spent 6 years of his life in Hanoi prison cell, and has 30 years of political experience.
Obama came out of virtually nowhere, took on the DNC, the dynasty of Bill and Hillary Clinton, the religious right, the right wing media and political pundits and the media as a whole and he not only did that, he won the Democrats primary nomination.
He's taking on a famous military POW that spent 6 years of his life in Hanoi prison cell, and has 30 years of political experience.
Yet after all the attacks, all the name calling, all the personal
accusations, all the lies made against him, all the jokes about his
‘change message’ and his great speech making - he is still STANDING
TALL.
Instead of we, so-called experts (myself included), telling him what he's doing wrong or what he should be doing -- we should be applauding him and putting our trust in his good judgment - to go on and win this thing.
After all -- he and his crew have gotten this far without using our suggestions.
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You know what? Maybe you're right.
I think we've lost sight of this fact because of the ridiculously high expectations we have of him. We all want him to win this November. BADLY. Many of us have probably joked that we'll all move to Canada if McCain becomes president. I on the other hand am actually serious ;-) But the fact is that many of us want him to not just be a good President, but one of the best leaders the world has ever seen.
Seeing that 9/11 should be a day of remembrance and a reminder that we are all Americans, I say we tip our hats to the man today and go back to kicking McCain's butt tomorrow.
September 11, 2008 4:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
To be totally honest I want him to be Mt. Rushmore great. If he manages to turn this country around (which I believe he will) I want to see him on that mountain.
September 11, 2008 6:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
After another two months of the same "superb campaigning," John McCain will be President of the United States.
But wait...
I forgot that Obama can do no wrong in the world according to Obamabots, and Obama's lame counter-attacks have actually destroyed McCain and Palin!
Harharharhar!!!
Obamabots!
They still believe in Santa Claus!
September 11, 2008 9:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yo mamma!
September 11, 2008 10:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Get me some of that acid you are taking. You are hallucinating. Obama is going to win easily. McCain is a liar and a hypocrite.
September 11, 2008 10:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dude, that's spray paint, not anything as innocuous as acid. You don't want that.
September 12, 2008 8:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good thing the progressives in this country are the ones who poised to win, otherwise you would be ripe for re-education. Based on your ranting, you wouldn't last long in a neocon, ultra-religious Armageddon-focused America that McCain represents.
September 12, 2008 5:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's poll numbers went into the toilet and the Obamabots think he deserves a medal for his stuttering response to McCain's attacks.
"Well...uh...that stuff...uh...that McCain is saying...uh...some of it...uh...may be...uh... untruthish!"
The Obamabots would still be cheering if Obama put on Bozo-the-Clown shoes and did pratfalls all the way to November.
September 12, 2008 8:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Don't quote polls to me as the basis for your opinion. It just makes you look more manipulated and naive than you already do.
September 12, 2008 9:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, the polls are meaningless, and when your horse is 40 lengths behind coming down the stretch, you'll be the guy trying to double his bet at the $2 window.
"My horsie is the best horsie in the world, and his name is Barack Obama!"
But your horsie is looking more and more like a three-legged nag, and all his little tricks from the primaries... race baiting, meaningless slogans, packing the caucuses in Idaho and winning southern red states with 90% of the black vote...
None of those little tricks is working in the general election, and since your Messiah already threw his grandma under the bus, what's left?
Maybe Jeremiah Wright and Michelle could do some sort of vaudeville tour together, like the famous "Albert Hump and His Talking Spoon."
"I'm the hump and you're the spoon!" says Jeremiah.
"No, I'm the hump and you're the spoon!" says Michelle.
This election is totally in the bag!
September 12, 2008 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your ranting non sequitur replies do not help your case or your cause, whatever that might be. The polls have already proved to be wrong over and over this year. They are propaganda and you are their juicy red meat American target.
Their methodology guarantees they will be off big time this year, but people like you cling to them as a security blanket while their predictions of doom never come true.
Keep clicking your red heels together, Dorothy, but that won't change the reality of this election.
September 12, 2008 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right...as opposed to, say, the people still approving of Bush with his, what, 32% approval ratings. I suppose you would say that they have conviction and fortitude and resolve and don't just blow with the prevailing winds?
I can certainly see how such people would be gung-ho about the transformed invertebrate jellyfish John McCain, who evidently has absolutely no idea what he really believes.
Perhaps I overstate. Perhaps he does have a core belief. As just one among the possibilities, he may believe that his POW experience makes him a good and deserving man once and for all time, and therefore entitles him to the White House. As if any of us could or should be judged, or should judge ourselves, solely on a single event or period of time in our lives. If he does indeed believe this it would just be further evidence of how he is living in the past and remains a prisoner--not literally, thank goodness, but now figuratively--of that past to this day. I don't know about you but I don't want someone living in the past as our next president.
His past gutsy stances now appear to reflect not a courageous, steadfast character trait and willingness to do the right thing when it's most difficult, but just another manifestation of his fundamental petulence and impulsivity, something he and he alone has chosen to toss in the trash under the pressure of a campaign, now that it is no longer expedient. Yes, Sarah Palin needs to be vetted in the coming weeks in the way she wasn't when McCain chose her. But John McCain has been vetted--under the harsh glare of this high-stakes election. And he has been found sorely wanting, in character and temperament, in plain sight.
You think we're a bunch of Kool-Aid drinkers. I haven't had Kool-Aid in 30 or 35 years. Do they still make that stuff?
Nah. We just believe in our candidate, that's all. Savior? Hardly. Something special? You bet! A politician, to be sure (beats the hell out of the alternatives--a dictator or anarchy), but one with basic integrity who doesn't just jettison his core vision and policy beliefs to pursue a desperate grab for the White House? Yes! Someone who with our strong support can help our country start to dig out and at last start to deal with our and the world's pressing problems instead of digging deeper? Yes!
September 12, 2008 10:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
What do you believe in?
September 12, 2008 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
If he gets elected, he will be Mt. Rushmore great. I was at the Berlin rally. Greil Marcus' old line about Clinton came to mind: "He's the political Elvis." Looking around me, I thought that Obama has it in him to be much bigger than that.
September 12, 2008 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I do think outside ideas are helpful, most of all from the greatest minds out there (Bill C. for instance). Some Axelrod and Co. can't stay in a bubble.
That said, we will win.
September 11, 2008 4:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is that the same Bill C that insisted that he could charge in and win SC?
September 12, 2008 8:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Amen. I've said this elsewhere so won't add, but you are ABSOLUTELY right. This has to be the hardest time for him (and Joe Biden must feel like he stepped onto a roller coaster) - they should know how much proud support they have.
(I'm not sure that the "experts" in the blogosphere have had no effect, however. According to every report, that's a hallmark of Obama's decision-making -- pulling in ideas from everywhere and selecting the ones that fit, the problem and his style. And he DOES say that he reads TPM, after all!
September 11, 2008 4:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I do think outside ideas are helpful, most of all from the greatest minds out there (Bill C. for instance). Some Axelrod and Co. can't stay in a bubble.
That said, we will win.
September 11, 2008 4:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Anyone who thinks a bozo like McBush and his lipstick poodle can beat Obama is nuts.
September 11, 2008 4:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sigh, leaps tall buildings with a single bound...
September 11, 2008 5:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wholeheartedly agree. It's so easy to get caught up in the polls, and all the crap in the McCain camp, and get worried that we'll lose yet again. In my logical moments, when I put aside all the worry, I realize that we do have such very high hopes for this man. We do see him as the best thing to come along for this country in a very, very long time. He has beaten the odds. And in my heart of hearts, I believe he will continue to do so, and we will be watching him swoorn in come January. Thanks for your post.
September 11, 2008 6:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Democrats panic, it's just what we do because we have seen us so close just to come up short. We will applaud after we come out on top. It will take the 5th until then.
September 11, 2008 6:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're right.
Congratulations, Obie, for a job well done (thus far).
September 11, 2008 8:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent post. Thank you! I have been saying the same thing. I think he has been doing a damned good job. We may not like the pace at which he moves, but I think politically, he has been brilliant.
He's on an uphill battle with the media fawning and playing the "fairness" angle with little fairness and total fawning, but Obama continues to plug along, slowly, steadily.
Reminds me of that tortoise.
September 11, 2008 8:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you!
I agree 100%
September 11, 2008 9:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you!
I agree 100%
September 11, 2008 9:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't agree. The wind is at our backs in this election with the monumental dislike the country has for Bush and his policies, and yet here we are in September tied or trailing in most of the polls.
Forgive me for coming to this conclusion but Obama's performance in the general election campaign has not been great. I think he's been on defense for far too long. He's been reacting to events instead of shaping events.
September 11, 2008 9:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, Obama was doing so poorly that the McCain had to abandon his experience arguments in favor of trying to appropriate "Change", and try to make a desparate "game-changer" Veep appointment.
September 12, 2008 8:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dude, obviously you live in an area of the country where being black does not matter. Count yourself lucky. Obama has been fighting an uphill battle the whole way simply because of the color of his skin. Believe it or not, there are A LOT of Americans who will have a very hard time voting for someone other than a white candidate.
Considering what Obama has been up against he has done an outstanding job with his campaign.
September 12, 2008 9:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly right.
September 12, 2008 12:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
What if John McCain were a former president of the Harvard Law Review?
What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating class?
What if McCain were still married to the first woman he said 'I do' to? What
if Obama were the candidate who left his first wife after she no longer
measured up to his standards?
What if Mich elle Obama were a wife who not only became addicted to pain
killers, but acquired them illegally through her charitable organization?
What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard? What if Obama were a member of
the 'Keating 5'? What if McCain was a charismatic, eloquent speaker?
If these questions reflected reality, do you really believe the election
numbers would be as close as they are?
This is what racism does. It covers up, rationalizes and minimizes positive
qualities in one candidate and emphasizes negative qualities in another when
there is a color difference.
- Kelvin LaFond, Fort Worth
September 11, 2008 10:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice one.
September 12, 2008 2:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Polls only measure what happened in the previous two elections, not what is happening in this one. Polls only talk to people who voted in the last two presidential elections and have land lines. Does that sound like an accurate slice of the electorate this year?
The only "election numbers" that matter are what happened in the primary elections. Everything else is simply opinions based on biased polling methods. Democratic turnout was overwhelming in places they have completed in since the 50s. Obama got more votes than every republican combined in Georgia, an early primary before McCain was the nominee.
Palin may shore up the Rapture Right, but the nmomentum in the other 75% of the electorate is toward Obama - it's just that no one has bothered to talk to all those people, just the ones with land lines who have voted in the last two presidential elections.
Obama is doing fine. Just remember the shock the morning after New Hampshire when the polls are off by 20 points. Based on the trends shown in open primaries, the general election will be even harder to truly predict.
November is sure to be as much of a shocker as Barack being where he is at all.
Do the math and take a breath.
September 12, 2008 10:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
I never said that Obama walked on water. I said from the mountains he's had to climb already, that he's done so and with remarkable skill. Instead of constantly attacking him (we supporters) for not doing this or that -- maybe just once in awhile we should trust his judgment.
Yes, all of us need outside intervention once in awhile and I'm sure Obama's read things from TPM and other places that have given him ideas on how to handle a situation -- but for the most part, he and his crew have done it on their own.
They should be applauded for that effort -- that's all I meant.
In some way, McCain should be applauded too; but I honestly believe the GOP picked him for different reasons down the road. Perhaps to get the first woman elected President in 2012 when McCain drops out (if they win this one). I've also felt the GOP promised him this chance if he stood by Bush after 2000.
September 11, 2008 10:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't make it worse. The party faithful didn't want McCain at all, they just couldn't find anyone else.
September 12, 2008 6:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
What planet did you fly in from? ...McCain pulled Sarah Palin out of his butt...it's not something the GOP thought about when "they" picked him. Do you not know that he won a bunch of primaries to get the nomination? Do you not know that Palin was a Hail Mary pass when his advisers told him he couldn't have anyone he wanted and still win?
He picked her for one reason and one reason only...she was literally the only chance he had to win.
September 12, 2008 12:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
He may have thought so, but he blew it big time with her. She is the biggest political mistake ever.
Even if she was doing better at looking prepared, and she's not at all, but even if she was, her positions would not appeal any but the thinnest minority - the fundamentalists. They are not enough in number to elect anyone.
McLame is just finished.
September 12, 2008 12:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't have a link, but I read somewhere in a serious piece that the Palin pick was partly, if not largely, pushed by the RNC leadership group. Part of the reason given was to keep a firm lock on the Evangelicals who comprise a large percentage of active US voters. Also a woman on the ticket after Hillary didn't get the nod was a clear tactical opening. Also, since the brand was tarnished, it was time to go in a different direction (i.e. put lipstick on the pig!).
I have no idea how much McCain runs the whole shop, but I suspect there is far more upstairs guidance than we get to see. In both parties.
September 12, 2008 4:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Even if that is true, it wasn't part of a great master plan that goes back to before McCain won Florida. And, really, do you think the GOP leadership has any particular interest in getting us a female prez?
September 12, 2008 8:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm becoming more and more convinced that this is the case. She is SO much in the mold of GWB -- the not very bright, not very curious, impulsive, *certain* she/he is right, don't "blink" and never look back or ask questions if you have no idea what is going on. If McCain, who hangs out with truly intelligent people, knew her, he wouldn't have selected her. To me, that's a given. So how did he come to select her? He was told untruths about what she is like -- he was maneuvered into it (you can have your buddy Mitt or this unknown maverick, reformer woman -- who, pssst!, used to be a beauty queen -- from Alaska.) Someone other than John McCain was responsible for this decision --- and does that mean someone other than him would be running the country? --- It's time to see how McCain and the party deal with what was obviously a mistake.
September 12, 2008 12:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Too soon to say it was a mistake. Look at it this way:
1. Obama wins. The economy is in the worst shape it has been since the 1930's. Nobody is going to stop ongoing war (whether it's in Iraq, Afgh. or Pakistan it is still ongoing). Obama's team has heavyweight Imperialist Brezinski, so the American Military-industrial-congressional complex rolls on. Which means that no fundamental structural changes can occur, only tonal. This is my main beef with Obama's candidacy. Yes, he might be just saying what he needs to to placate the Powers that Be, but they won't go away when he is elected so without a huge majority win and a more explicitly deep change platform, he can't make any substantive changes.
2. Once he is in, with a working majority but not a large one let's say, the Republicans will do what they did with Clinton: crucify him mercilessly. They never put country first when it comes to party politics. The economy will be in terrible shape for a while to come and most stories will be scandals, attacks etc. etc. He will probably not be able to get re-elected in 2012.
3. Hillary is the main challenger in 2012.
4. Palin is the answer to Hillary, either as the VP again or as the #1. At that point her experience in office will dwarf Hillary's who, sad to say, will be more and more grandmotherly in age bracket whereas Palin will still be relatively youthful and dynamic. If Hillary doesn't run, again Palin is powerful and if she does a good job generally, then
5. In 2016 she will win the Presidency.
I get the impression she is smart, sincere, talented and quite willing to do what needs to be done which includes being ruthless when necessary. Fine. But I see no evidence as yet that she is a genuine leader, i.e. she will always depend on more powerful people behind her. That also is not unusual, but it is concerning since she is coming into national arena with few high-level contacts and networks. They are being given to her now in order to win an election, but she didn't make them herself and couldn't have done so, i.e. she is not a bona fide power player at all. Even if she does well, that will no doubt continue to be the case. Ergo, we will have party-line Republican leadership for next 16 years is the plan with very sexy puppet leader ideal for today's personality driven politics.
Much too soon to say it was a mistake. However, clearly it is something that those who want more real integrity in Washington (perhaps a forlorn hope before a major war or depression unfortunately) can push back against by keeping their eye on the ball and just remembering how the Republicans screw things up when they are in power.
What worries me the most is the first thing I mentioned: even if Obama wins they will make it very hard for him to lead. I think he really does need to learn not just how to attack, but how to beat them down himself without being totally duplicitous. He has to humiliate them in the right way so that the whole country sees that these guys really need some time out of power to go back to their conservative roots and operate with more principle and less naked BS. I'm not holding my breath!
September 12, 2008 2:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Remember that Obama is not about winning the small weekly battles, he is about winning the war. Mark Penn adviced Hillary on the Micro strategy that may win you a news cycle but in the end you lose. Obama knows enough to keep his eye on the goal and McCain has played right into Obama's hands, this is where they wanted Mccain to be in the long run. Remember when Mondale picked Ferraro they were up points after their convention and ended up winning only 10 States. McCain picked hype over reason, momentary excitement over long term plan. McCain is the type of guy who will take 10 viagras, thinking he will get a better rise and end up overdosing himself.
September 12, 2008 12:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
I totally agree with you and furthermore, I love this post.
It's a brilliant campaign.
September 12, 2008 1:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Remember that Obama is not about winning the small weekly battles, he is about winning the war. Mark Penn adviced Hillary on the Micro strategy that may win you a news cycle but in the end you lose. Obama knows enough to keep his eye on the goal and McCain has played right into Obama's hands, this is where they wanted Mccain to be in the long run. Remember when Mondale picked Ferraro they were up points after their convention and ended up winning only 10 States. McCain picked hype over reason, momentary excitement over long term plan. McCain is the type of guy who will take 10 viagras, thinking he will get a better rise and end up overdosing himself.
September 12, 2008 12:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Remember that Obama is not about winning the small weekly battles, he is about winning the war. Mark Penn adviced Hillary on the Micro strategy that may win you a news cycle but in the end you lose. Obama knows enough to keep his eye on the goal and McCain has played right into Obama's hands, this is where they wanted Mccain to be in the long run. Remember when Mondale picked Ferraro they were up points after their convention and ended up winning only 10 States. McCain picked hype over reason, momentary excitement over long term plan. McCain is the type of guy who will take 10 viagras, thinking he will get a better rise and end up overdosing himself.
September 12, 2008 12:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Remember that Obama is not about winning the small weekly battles, he is about winning the war. Mark Penn adviced Hillary on the Micro strategy that may win you a news cycle but in the end you lose. Obama knows enough to keep his eye on the goal and McCain has played right into Obama's hands, this is where they wanted Mccain to be in the long run. Remember when Mondale picked Ferraro they were up 30 points after their convention and ended up winning only 10 States. McCain picked hype over reason, momentary excitement over long term plan. McCain is the type of guy who will take 10 viagras, thinking he will get a better rise and end up overdosing himself.
September 12, 2008 12:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
I totally agree with you and furthermore, I love this post.
It's a brilliant campaign.
September 12, 2008 1:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Congratulations, Obama, you've been able to coast since March and you haven't been removed from the ballot so you're still in the race, despite being 4 or 5 points down nationally. Against a candidate representing the most failed administration ever and a disastrous war, and accompanied by a side-kick with 1 1/2 years of serious experience.
It's a brilliant campaign, as Tena says.
Whatever.
September 12, 2008 6:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
National Polls do not mean failure or success at this point -- it's the Electoral College votes that count this time. And so far, Obama is way ahead of McCain.
I don't care who's side you are on, if you have any sort of political strategist within you, you'd admit that Obama's campaign has exceeded even Bill Clintons and George W Bush (karl rove).
Neither had to face what Obama's faced over the past 19 months and went on to beat the odds.
September 12, 2008 8:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
According to the pro-Obama websites fivethirtyeight.com and electoral-vote.com, McCain is now ahead of Obama in the electoral vote race.
Ignore the preposterous map on pollster.com which is based on a bizarre algorithm at odds with actual polls.
On RCP, McCain is one state away from taking the EV lead.
September 12, 2008 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, anyone who can keep a level head while being attacked with lies, slander, and nonsense deserves high praise.
All Hear! Here! Here! Amen.
September 12, 2008 9:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or, being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;
If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools....
September 12, 2008 10:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. When Obama wins in November, it will be the triumph of truth over ignorance.
September 12, 2008 9:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good post. I really think they are using our suggestions in the campaign, but their sense of timing is different. I'm anxious for them to put it away and seal the deal, but the BHO team has shown great insight so far. After two weeks of babbling, Palin is emerging as a dope and pathological liar, and McCain is wandering around in a half-coherent fog. Their innings are over. Now I think we see Act II from the BHO campaign.
September 12, 2008 9:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
I heartily endorse this post. Palin has dominated public fascination (here's the pop star) since the Dem convention. Obama is letting the press do the job of deconstructing her, as well as letting Palin self-destruct. That is the right approach. Once the luster has worn off her, it's hard to see how the majority of swing voter could check the McCain/Palin box.
September 12, 2008 9:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, well, not to be a Chicken Little (I'm not- I think we're going to win) but it was hard to see how they could check the box for Bush in 2004, too. But we all know how that turned out.
If Obama doesn't feel he can afford to go hard negative on McGigolo's senile old ass (his new "negative" ad is not even good enough to be called pathetic), he needs to quietly green-light some 527s to do it. And I said McGigolo, not Failin- she's just a distracting bright shiny object. That much I agree with.
This is a fucking war to determine whether this country has a future. A little more urgency and less coolth, Sen. Obama.
September 12, 2008 10:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Please read the following and recommend. Voters Don't Vote On the Issues or How Obama Can Win
September 12, 2008 10:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Please read the following and recommend. Voters Don't Vote On the Issues or How Obama Can Win
September 12, 2008 10:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
I do fervently hope Obama will win and I have a mildly optimistic outlook that he will - and if he does, I hope several of the people on this site will join the armed forces under Obama, you seem like you would make excellent suicide bombers.
No matter how this shakes out, those of you who keep saying that Obama's will win the general election based on his performance and tactics during the primaries should stop and consider one obvious point - every single Democrat who has ever had his ass handed to him in the general election won the primaries.
September 12, 2008 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's not that he won the primaries, but how he won them that matters - by turning out new voters and getting republicans to cross-ovr. Not a single democrat since Johnson has gotten republicans to cross-over in the primaries.
September 12, 2008 12:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jason, Where are those "voters" now? Or are we saying the polls dont poll "new" voters? He should be whaling on Obama if those "voters" were there is such numbers. Sorry but it isn't making sense.
September 12, 2008 12:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, the polls do not poll new voters or voters with cell phones.
They use the "likely voter" standard which is that you are registered to vote at the time the poll is taken, you are registered for one of the two major parties AND you voted in the last two presidential elections.
Likely voters my ass.
September 13, 2008 8:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
I do fervently hope Obama will win and I have a mildly optimistic outlook that he will - and if he does, I hope several of the people on this site will join the armed forces under Obama, you seem like you would make excellent suicide bombers.
No matter how this shakes out, those of you who keep saying that Obama will win the general election based on his performance and tactics during the primaries should stop and consider one obvious point - every single Democrat who has ever had his ass handed to him in the general election won the primaries.
September 12, 2008 11:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
These comments are unbelievable. Most everyone here is in amazing denial.
here's hoping that at least we keep the Congress.
September 12, 2008 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
These comments are unbelievable. Most everyone here is in amazing denial.
here's hoping that at least we keep the Congress.
September 12, 2008 11:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Most everyone here is either in incredible denial or naive.
Here's hoping that at least we'll keep the Congress....
September 12, 2008 11:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Most everyone here is either in incredible denial or naive.
Here's hoping that at least we'll keep the Congress....
I remember thinking no way that Nixon could win re-election. I'm older now.
September 12, 2008 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
What a pussy.
It's defeatists like you who throw up their hands at adversity and crawl away into your hole.
No wonder Dems lose elections to ridiculousness when pansys shrink like wilting flowers.
September 12, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
What a pussy.
It's defeatists like you who throw up their hands at adversity and crawl away into your hole.
No wonder Dems lose elections to ridiculousness when pansys shrink like wilting flowers.
September 12, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
What a pussy.
It's defeatists like you who throw up their hands at adversity and crawl away into your hole.
No wonder Dems lose elections to ridiculousness when pansys shrink like wilting flowers.
September 12, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
We are going to find out if this country is actually stupid enough to vote for this country becoming a bannana republic. If there is a God, may he help us all if they do.
September 12, 2008 11:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes. Well said. And if -- no, when -- folks who don't want to realize they have to vote for him (if they keep Palin on the ticket, that is) they will start remembering that he's half-white. Yes, that sounds ugly and 'superior' but I grew up in the South and was there as the big change started ....... and that is what was said, many times, when those in power were forced to accept a black and the black did well or at least was no worse than his counterpart would have been. "Yes, Jack's done good ... but you know word is his grandaddy was a white man." Serious.=== But you know what? It doesn't matter! Those things dissolve with time, with interaction, with looking at common goals instead of the skin tone of the person sitting next to you. So it's okay and a natural part of growth, just as long as there are enough people who, for whatever reason, open the door. The most amazing thing about the civil rights movement, beyond the valiant and wisely led effort to get the door open, is the degree to which race HAS become something no more than "Italian heritage" or something: a fact, on rare moments relevant, but far, far from THE important fact. I hope some social scientist has been studying the phenomenon so far, because I think just by running the campaign he has Obama has gotten past that see-nothing-but-color in many people's minds.
September 12, 2008 11:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, that was a response to TheUrbanRevolution
above.
September 12, 2008 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not.
I'm mad as hell at Obama. Because you know what? I think he's not slinging anything of consequence at McCain out of sheer narcissism: he doesn't want to be seen as taking the "low road."
But lives are at stake, particularly after the Palin interview. Obama will let this country be run by a president who listens closely to Randy Scheunemann? Why? Because he's afraid to start a "John McCain Gave Away His Honor" campaign?
You know, there is something to the argument of "if he won't fight for us, why should he be president?"
Do whatever it takes, Obama. Lives are at stake. Forget about your "reputation." That's a luxury we can't afford.
September 12, 2008 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
And if Obama had done and said all the things he could have done -- and was urged to have done -- during the primaries, would the reconcilliation at Denver have occurred? ---- And if he did and said all of the things he could - and is being urged - to do against McCain, would he have a ready-to-be united government to work with in January? The man is thinking about governing - not just winning!! And THAT is what the American people are very, very ready to have! Given the handicap (and it is) of race, he has to win votes because he is different, offers something more than the person it is far easier to vote for without thinking (HRC, McCain). If he does become just another politician -- if he does do what Rove would have done in his place (bandy about Bill's indiscretion and Whitewater; pull out the 'confession' McCain sign - and maybe filmed, I don't know - when in VietNam) he will lose, not only the election but the respect and enthusiasm of those don't-usually-vote/donate/volunteer people that are going to make the difference in this election. My .02, anyway...
September 12, 2008 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not.
I'm mad as hell at Obama. Because you know what? I think he's not slinging anything of consequence at McCain out of sheer narcissism: he doesn't want to be seen as taking the "low road."
But lives are at stake, particularly after the Palin interview. Obama will let this country be run by a president who listens closely to Randy Scheunemann? Why? Because he's afraid to start a "John McCain Gave Away His Honor" campaign?
You know, there is something to the argument of "if he won't fight for us, why should he be president?"
Do whatever it takes, Obama. Lives are at stake. Forget about your "reputation." That's a luxury we can't afford.
September 12, 2008 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not.
I'm mad as hell at Obama. Because you know what? I think he's not slinging anything of consequence at McCain out of sheer narcissism: he doesn't want to be seen as taking the "low road."
But lives are at stake, particularly after the Palin interview. Obama will let this country be run by a president who listens closely to Randy Scheunemann? Why? Because he's afraid to start a "John McCain Gave Away His Honor" campaign?
You know, there is something to the argument of "if he won't fight for us, why should he be president?"
Do whatever it takes, Obama. Lives are at stake. Forget about your "reputation." That's a luxury we can't afford.
September 12, 2008 12:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not.
I'm mad as hell at Obama. Because you know what? I think he's not slinging anything of consequence at McCain out of sheer narcissism: he doesn't want to be seen as taking the "low road."
But lives are at stake, particularly after the Palin interview. Obama will let this country be run by a president who listens closely to Randy Scheunemann? Why? Because he's afraid to start a "John McCain Gave Away His Honor" campaign?
You know, there is something to the argument of "if he won't fight for us, why should he be president?"
Do whatever it takes, Obama. Lives are at stake. Forget about your "reputation." That's a luxury we can't afford.
September 12, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not.
I'm mad as hell at Obama. Because you know what? I think he's not slinging anything of consequence at McCain out of sheer narcissism: he doesn't want to be seen as taking the "low road."
But lives are at stake, particularly after the Palin interview. Obama will let this country be run by a president who listens closely to Randy Scheunemann? Why? Because he's afraid to start a "John McCain Gave Away His Honor" campaign?
You know, there is something to the argument of "if he won't fight for us, why should he be president?"
Do whatever it takes, Obama. Lives are at stake. Forget about your "reputation." That's a luxury we can't afford.
September 12, 2008 12:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Attack Obama. That's helpful.
I think Obama's not taking the lowroad is because much of his appeal is his good character. It's something he has which McCain doesn't. I don't think Obama needs to get dirty, although forcefully countering and attacking on issues is hardly dirty. Save the dirty lowroad stuff for surrogates and Biden.
September 12, 2008 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I want to point out that I never said Obama has WON this thing. I said for the past 19 months he's done a superior job and that maybe we should trust he'll do the same the next two.
September 12, 2008 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Connie, Not to bust the bubble or weaken the kool aid but given what has happened the last 8 years and the current state of our Economy and world, Obama should be up double digits and be blowing past the competition.
September 12, 2008 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
What do you base where he "should" be by now? This election is unprecedented and none of the modern polling methods can accurately gauge where the electorate is this year.
They are only good at what happened during the last two elections and with people who voted in both elections as well. Which would be great, if it were 2000 or 2004 and people like myself weren't turning out in force for the first time in their adult lives.
You don't seem to have much faith in anything, not even common sense analysis of the trends we saw in the primary.
September 12, 2008 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am happy to see Obama take the high road. It is consistent with his message and his ideas for a different kind of civil society.The people who insist he must use whatever "tactics" he can to win, regardless of ethics, should consider who he might change by these low-brow strategies. People who have swung the polls over to McBush are obviously not interested in any data about the economy, etc, but have an "american idol" finals mentality. Using McBush tactics will result in a slimy gloss over the entire process and obscure the truth.Maybe even lower the core enthusiasm for this NEW type of politician. The only hope I see is to keep pounding the facts and hope it sticks. If not, and Obama loses, the country will continue to decline in every way. Eventually, however, the pendulum will swing....
September 12, 2008 1:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am happy to see Obama take the high road. It is consistent with his message and his ideas for a different kind of civil society.The people who insist he must use whatever "tactics" he can to win, regardless of ethics, should consider who he might change by these low-brow strategies. People who have swung the polls over to McBush are obviously not interested in any data about the economy, etc, but have an "american idol" finals mentality. Using McBush tactics will result in a slimy gloss over the entire process and obscure the truth.Maybe even lower the core enthusiasm for this NEW type of politician. The only hope I see is to keep pounding the facts and hope it sticks. If not, and Obama loses, the country will continue to decline in every way. Eventually, however, the pendulum will swing....
September 12, 2008 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
He lost.
September 12, 2008 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, gotalife (do you, really?) -- If McCain wins, it isn't Obama who lost - it's America. I wouldn't have said this before the Palin interview but it is now very clear that if the American people are willing to have this perhaps-nice-but-totally unprepared (experience and mental/reasoning aptitude)person as VP, we have irretrievably lost.
September 12, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obamawon -- Barack Obama came from a NOBODY and he's up against a SOMEBODY that the media LOVES -- a war hero and purported maverick in his own party.
Obama is LUCKY he's gotten this close.
September 12, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I might also remind folks that Barack Obama is the first black man to get this far in the general election. It's been reported that 20% of some states voters - have admitted that they will not for a black person no matter who they are.
Getting this far with that problem -- is amazing in my view.
September 12, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink