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It's the FISA flip-flop that's making people suspect an Iraq-war flip-flop
I hope Obama will take a lesson from this. Yes, any adult understands that you can't say with absolute certainty what you will do in Iraq a year from now. Something big might happen to make your firm intentions unwise or otherwise unattainable by the time next year rolls around. Much of the press probably understands this. But they also understand (as we all do) that politicians routinely say they are committed to something when they aren't really, and they will later ditch their previous position by invoking a change of circumstances.
Had Obama not just flip-flopped spectacularly on FISA, he would not now be facing suspicions that his Iraq war position is hollow.
(And no, I don't think it's the substance of immunity from civil suits for the telco's that is the big thing here -- not for me, anyway. It's that Obama announced a firm position during the primary to gain favor with the left base, and unceremoniously ditched it a couple weeks after clinching the nomination. If you pull that kind of shit, you can expect your credibility to suffer in general.)
Had Obama not just flip-flopped spectacularly on FISA, he would not now be facing suspicions that his Iraq war position is hollow.
(And no, I don't think it's the substance of immunity from civil suits for the telco's that is the big thing here -- not for me, anyway. It's that Obama announced a firm position during the primary to gain favor with the left base, and unceremoniously ditched it a couple weeks after clinching the nomination. If you pull that kind of shit, you can expect your credibility to suffer in general.)
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No, it's not. It's the McCain camp trying to push the meme that Obama is a flip-flopper that "making people suspect an Iraq-war flip-flop". And you guys are buying right into it.
I mean, I knew the press would carry water for John McCain, but some of you are surprising me with your willingness to buy into the right's framing.
Get a grip.
July 3, 2008 11:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, McRove just figured out how to discredit Obama. All thanks to the current FISArama.
Now instead of discussing McFlip-Flop, we can spend the next 3 weeks repairing Obama's image to the swing voter. The only voter that counts. All the belly-achers on this site will vote for Obama anyway. Its the uninformed, first impression, namebrand swing voter that will decide this thing.
July 4, 2008 12:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
I started to wonder about Obama and Iraq after the FISA flip-flop but before the McCain camp jumped in.
IOW, I agree with basilisk.
July 4, 2008 1:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
The problem is, the McCain camp jumped in WAY before FISA. They've been trying to push the Obama=flip-flopper meme since well before Obama opted out of public financing. In other words, because Obama is getting the bulk of attention, they're attempting to use that attention to pre-frame his actions in a negative light. They need to as flip-flopping is one of McCain's real weaknesses as a candidate. He's worse than Kerry ever was. McCain has been flipping all over the electoral map, yet we have all these stories about Obama's supposed flips.
The one thing that Republicans are proficient at is framing and echoing an attack. There have been rightwing pundits and McCain surrogates predicting an Obama "flip-flop" on Iraq for several weeks now. The fact that you guys swallowed it right along with the MSM just proves that the talking heads aren't the only ones who still give Republicans way more credit than they deserve when they launch disingenuous attacks designed to distract.
And if I sound a touch discouraged about that, there's a reason for it.
July 4, 2008 5:13 AM | Reply | Permalink