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Obama's master plan?


Hello to all,

I must preface this by saying that I am an avid Obama fan and, like most of you, I have done a lot of research on the man, his positions and his convictions. The more I have understood of his personality, the more I admire the strength of those positions...

He has been remarkably consistent in his belief that politics, US politics in particular, needs to be reformed and believes that this should be done on a grassroots level. BTW, if these sound like a series of rambling thoughts, forgive me, because these questions have bugged me for a while. I trust you guys to share your opinions as well.

He believes in empowering the electorate by mobilizing participation at the lowest level, believing that by allowing political participation people can change society from the ground up. I get it.

The question I have for you guys, and believe me I am not trying to blow smoke up anyone's rear end, but I believe the TPM bloggers/commenters are some of the brightest I have seen, is... what happens if this strategy fails? What if the American populace is so apathetic to change that they would rather go with the known (i.e McSame, McLame) and reject what they believe is radical change that is "too much, too soon."

What if he gets elected to office but sees that Congress is not as excited about making the tough choices: uprooting special interests, reforming healthcare, educating the populace, making America a more inclusive society, empowering minorities, tackling the energy crisis and climate changes. Then what? Will he give up?

I believe that the reason Obama jumped through the Illinois State Senate and US senate was that he saw the more he worked with "real" politicians that choose self interest and partisan appeasement rather than  true public service he chose to continue moving up the ladder in order to get to a place where he had the necessary level of power to institute real change. If he does get to the necessary office and still nothing changes, then what?


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I'm so interested that you'd ask this. I was thinking last night - how does he plan to effect change in Washington? I went to his website to the issues box and `change` isn't there.

I remembered a question coming up at one of the early debates - I think all of the candidates were still in it - maybe it was only Edwards.

But a question got to the `lobbyists` issue and Clinton challenged his ethics reform - pointed out that the best he'd been able to come up with was that politicians could no longer go to dinner with them at restaurants, but they could have a buffet `stand up` meal.

LOL! (The impact wasn't particularly impressive)

I do recall an interesting Newshour segment with Brooks and Shiels where Brooks actually said that he thought the major difference between Clinton & Obama is that he really does think change comes form the bottom up but Clinton sees it as coming from the standard top down. ie Getting enough politicians onside to effect the reforms you want.

But one has to reflect that Obama has never articulated throughout this campaign how change would happen from the bottom up once the election were won.

He's going to be very vulnerable in debates if/when McCain or the journalists actually come out and ask him that question. Because I assume he doesn't have an answer - if he did, why haven't we heard it?

In the excerpts of the speech I saw from Virginia he defined different specific policies as change. ie oil, healthcare. Nowhere have I seen him define how systemic change would work other than requiring that politicians couldn't accept money from lobbyists. To me that in no way wipes out electoral policies that are in sectional interest but could be argued to be against the national interest.

I don't know. I realise my particular poltiical universe bends in both the short and ong runs towards cycnicism... For quite a while now I've realised that I supported Obama because I saw him as the greatest hope to reform US foreign policy and, basically, he just seems like a very very nice, attractive man - as opposed to not very nice, unattractive (morally) people.


I think he's hoping that once he's president he can mobilize people both at the top and the bottom.

For my part, what I hope to see happen is after the election's over, he finds a way to keep some of his campaign offices open and use the grassroots networks he created to organize and fight for specific community causes - with legislation from above coming to help them out.

Perfect world, I know - but I hope.

What a great idea! And it goes along with the Washington Post article referenced today about a woman who: contributed to Obama on line; then showed up to volunteer; then became a regional director and delegate; and, post-November, intends to work on community issues. Not practical everywhere, but a real contribution in some places -- New Orleans and the Gulf Coast, for example.

Come one, Fran, Barack has been very explicit in how change happens from the grassroots in general and what it will take this year in particular - It's the People, with a capital P, who make all the difference.

Unless we force Congress to do our bidding and support a President Obama with our enthusiasm and attention then NOTHING will get done. We will be the only ones to blame, because this isn't a one man effort. This isn't something that can be done short of a national awakening. A mass movement of at least 60 to 75% of Americans who give a shit enough to pay attention everyday, not just once every four years.

If the People stay apathetic and nothing changes, it is our fault and Barack shouldn't be held accountable for our inaction.

For my family personally, if such an unhappy state of being comes to pass in this country, we are moving to Amsterdam or Vancouver. Perhaps Barcelona. Whatever place we end up will be light-years better than an America that can't seem to wake up long enough to stop the criminals from robbing the house. Too many sleeping pills and Cheeto's.

I don't think that is going to happen. In fact, I think it is already past the time that such an outcome would be a real possibility. I think if that was going to happen Barack would already be out of this race and backing Kucinich from the Senate floor with speeches on impeachment articles in the House. He certainly wouldn't be within one hundreds yards of the presidency unless it was as Hillary's VP. An America that isn't ready for change in a big way doesn't make Barack Hussein Obama the democratic nominee or Hillary Clinton.

I submit that the change has already occurred as evidenced by the primary results. Also, the very fact that sites like this (and many, many others) are doing so well is that the change is already underway, already in the process of defining direction and vision in the national consciousness. Congress Monsters are already being held accountable and being voted out if they screwed the pooch since 2006.

I think it is important to realize that by all indications, this country has already taken a huge step in the right direction, rather than falling further behind. There is no doubt that with an energized and angry American electorate behind him, Barack can reshape this country into a hybrid of capitalism and socialism that is quite unlike anything that's been done elsewhere.

We can do this thing, but only if we remember that it is a WE effort and not a HE effort. ;O)

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Fran - To me the biggest "change" we can expect to see during an Obama Presidency would be that he would be able to remain fairly popular with both parties not because he triangulates and finds the center on every issue but because he treats the people with respect and explains he positions and his recommendations.

When a President has broad support they can push congress to do a lot of good work. It's when Congress members can score more points at home by doing nothing than by doing anything that we end up with the gridlock we have today; but when their constituents back home support the President, it is obviously much harder for them to just sit around and fight the partisan fight.

I agree, I have been extremely cynical about politics and by extension politicians for a while, one has to admit that Obama is definitely a breath of fresh air in the political landscape. My concern though is that I think he might feel he needs the presidential "bully-pulpit" to make the fundamental changes he wants to make.

I wonder if that is not short-sighted... If Ghandi, MLK and Mandela could generate a movement from their followers, might Obama not be able to do the same without becoming CIC. The amazing thing to me is that even as a candidate he has been able to really mobilize people to get off their butts and participate in this election. No matter what happens this is a very important aspect of what he's been able to do.

I think even if he loses he'll be a formidable force of a specific cause (importance of public/community service maybe) a la the Goricle.

A bully pulpit doesn't necessarily have to be used to bully people. What it can be used for, though, is to speak directly to us in a fashion that hasn't been done since FDR.

Further, since the "bully pulpit" now includes the Internet, we can use interactive technologies to truly start measuring the response of The People to the solutions that are meant to make their lives better. Barack can use the tools built during his historic run for the presidency as a way to gather valuable feedback from a wide swath of the American landscape.

He can also use the bully pulpit to drive change. Not by cowing a reluctant Congress, but by motivating their bosses (US!) to make them embrace these new national initiatives. He can challenge us directly, on a district by district basis, to make sure we know what our Congress people are voting on and how it affects us. He can use the bully pulpit to educate and energize and mobilize America.

Of course it will be difficult to break this 40-year stalemate in the federal government, but Barack has already shown that he knows the perfect tool for the job - The American People.

Friends in Christ Jesus - you shouldn't be asking yourselves what will happen if he loses - but what will happen if he wins.

You see, what you don't realize is that while the "pure" Christians in this Country with the spine to stand up for their race like myself may be the minority - nothing scares the average white man so much as a charasmatic colored fella. It's fine when they get on reality television handing out clocks to their flock of jezebells whoring themselves out for their three minutes of fame. I sincerely doubt good Christian women like Sister Marston and Sister Delaney would stray for the likes of Flavor Flav. But this Obama fella is crafty. He's smart and honest and has done so many crunches on the Abflex 1000 that he'd give even the most devout of our flock some pretty dirty thoughts. Thoughts like equal pay for equal work, and educational opportunities. Praise Jesus that's a slippery slope I don't want to start down.

We must protect our way of life. One of our best representatives Pat Robertson recently was openly crucified on National TV for merely expressing the views of the oppressed white man. The good Pastor Robertson stood up for the hard working white folks of West Virginia when the rest of the media portrayed them as racist illiterate hillbillies. I tell you what - the day that you can't not vote for a candidate just because of the color of his skin is the day we stop being America.

?????

I am hoping it is snark or satire, but with some Crazy Christians it is hard to tell.

Obama's made it clear that he can't do it alone. Change will begin with you, me and the rest of Americans standing up, keeping informed, communicating with and holding elected leaders responsible.
The question is what are we going to do to insist on and assist in achieving positive change and maintaining it?
Obama is the catalyst - but we, the people, are the ones who will ultimately be responsible for the success or failure of this process.
The truth is we have the Government we deserve.

Aunt Sam:
What you said is so true. Where were we during the past eight years? If our Senators and Congressmen (or Congresswomen) were silent, why were we?
We must support Obama audibly, insistently, repeatedly.

For Obama change is an electoral process. As such it will not happen overnight, not even with two consecutive Obama administrations. You have to begin somewhere, and Obama's revolution is to bring young people into the process who are not protest oriented but who want to make their influence felt. If Obama does it right, he may make politics a respectable profession again. That is real change.

The hole that Bush-Cheney have dug is so deep, I fully expect Obama to fail at half the things he tries.
Health care for all and extrication from the Middle East morass would be enough to satisfy me for a first term.
His most important achievement will be to educate the American public that good government does not derive from magic and wishful thinking.
If he fails at that -- hey, you DO get the government you deserve.

Exactly to both above.

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Then in about 20 years (or less) the Chinese call in their loans to the US, and accept property/companies/power etc. as payment. The US - a wholly owned subsidiary of the PRC.

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Oops - the above was in response to

If he does get to the necessary office and still nothing changes, then what?

Just recently we have seen the beginnings of how he plans to enact the change he proposes. As soon as he was the presumptive nominee, he began to reorganize the DNC and called for an end to donations from registered lobbyists and PACs. This immediately returns power to the people. My dollars mean more, now that they are not competing with institutionalized donation machines.

I question whether the American populous will be willing to donate their hard earned money over the long term, especially in non-presidential election cycles, but this strikes me as a huge step in the right direction and a display of the power his new coalition gives him.

It was also announced today that the Obama campaign promises offices in all 50 states. I personally hail from Texas (a red state through and through with urban pockets of blue). Our last blue executive was Anne Richards (forever and a day ago). However, his campaign offices here have built huge ground teams, and I have personally seen renewed vigor and interest in supporting the Texas Democratic Party. Boyd Ritchie has done an excellent job of capitalizing on youth involvement and the aura of Hope.

By effecting organizational change at the bottom via empowering John Everyman, Obama has increased the potential for new Dem victories in local and state elections. This, while he uses his newfound power to push for change from the top. This political squeeze play will force the status quo in the middle (Congress) to shape up or ship out, and we see the beginnings of this in recent special elections in Red states.

Just my .02

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Change will not occur overnight. There are a lot of entrenched interests that will actively work against it, and there's just general inertia.

However, the president sets the tone. The president inspires. The president sets the priorities. When President Obama sets a priority like universal healthcare and then inspires millions upon millions of people to push for it, Congress will have to listen.

Another source of change will be in presidential appointments. Remember, Bush did tremendous damage by appointing people who were actively hostile to government and civil liberties in the Justice Department as well as the EPA, FDA and a whole host of other departments. All those political appointees get swept out with an Obama win. Those positions can be filled by people who have demonstrated a commitment to a functioning government and helping our citizens.

We have huge problems. Not all of them will be solved right away. But an Obama administration will put us on the path to solving them and will foster an atmosphere of openness and citizen participation, and that will make all the difference in the world.

However, the president sets the tone. The president inspires. The president sets the priorities. When President Obama sets a priority like universal healthcare and then inspires millions upon millions of people to push for it, Congress will have to listen.

I'm curious as to why you think that will be easier now than when Clinton tried it 15 years ago.

I don't expect radical change in the next 4-8 years - even without the previously-mentioned great big hole the we've dug for ourselves under Bush. I do think he's capable of giving us a good shove in the right direction.

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Well, for one thing, the situation is 15 years worse, so people are more motivated.

For another, the Clinton administration made the decision to push NAFTA ahead of healthcare, and that probably cost some political capital. The push for healthcare reform didn't come until the end of '93, by which time, the honeymoon period was over. Also, there was the issue of Hillary's inflexibility and unwillingness to compromise that alienated members of Congress who might otherwise have been sympathetic. Also, a lot of Democrats were probably very risk averse at the end of '93 because they were worried about their vulnerability. They surely weren't all surprised by the Republican takeover in '94.

The atmosphere in the Congress is much different now. Democrats are poised to increase their numbers. And people are much hungrier for reform. It's a different ballgame.

Maybe fifty years ago the social critic Dwight McDonald said people either get what they like or like what they get. Politicians have traditionally given the voters what they like. They take polls to find out what voters like then give them that. The Clintons were masters at this. Please, this is not a put-down, it is politics that works. The Republican slimes do the same thing (which is NOT to say that the Clintons were slimes). If I get it right, Obama proposes to tell the voters the truth, that is, respecting their ability to understand the fix we're in and the necessary sacrifices required to turn the country around, and they'll respond. In short, he is taking the route of "they'll like what they get." This is revolutionary only if you ignore the occasional anomaly, say the numbers of people who liked a imaginative television program like "Northern Exposure."

Well I enjoyed reading all the responses - this is such an interesting thread. I also really look forward to Obama's response on it when he gets challenged by McCain on it and in the debates.

One thing thing remains, though, that none of these responses addressed. If, as people here hope, Obama manages to activate his `bottom`, (perhaps `ground` would be a better term... ) then I imagine that will result in a corresponding activation of the right's `ground`.

I always come back to the limits to Presidential power; I conceive of those limits being far great on domestic, than foreign, policy. Representatives and Senators respond to *their* constituencies.

It'll be fascinating to watch. The one aspect of all this which does give me, a knee-jerk rational sceptic actual hope is that we can end up with congressional majorities and thus change the mind-set of the American heartland.

To me the most cogent of all of Obama's arguments is changing the mindset that led to the war. I'm hoping he'll start talking about changing the mindset that intuitively swallows the right's `big government` buzz words.

I DO stand by my complaint that his website really needs an overhaul now that he's into the general.
We should be able to go there and get to his taxation policies; a section on small business.

ie When we're exposed to GOP talking points attacking him we ought to be able to go to his website and very easily find refutation. That's not so at the moment.

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I see many die-hard Obama supporters posting here, and have to say, I find it pretty alarming. Have supporters really been promoting Obama for the highest office even though he has no reliable plan to bring the change he promises? Is that why it’s called change you can believe in? He can’t really be relying on 60 or 70% of the people to “grassroots” his programs through congress, can he?

In the first place, less than 50% actually bother to vote and he is only hoping to get 50% of that vote. Then, 50% of the 50% majority voting Obama out of the 50% that votes at all were supporting Clinton. While they may vote for him, they are unlikely to march on Capitol Hill and demonstrate in favor of, say, a health care program that provides less coverage than hers did. So, under the most favorable scenario, Obama may have 15- 25% of popular support as committed followers, but they would be the ones expected to bring about change. This is not a master plan it’s a disaster of a plan.

A concern I share, but then the "moral majority" clowns had less than that at their core, and managed to effect a fair amount of "change" (I might call it "damage" but then I'm quite biased).

The question is, what happens if a committed Obama base runs up against a motivated GOP base?

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