AP say Obama gets more Texas delegates
This may be old news here, but I've not seen it mentioned.
"WASHINGTON - Sen. Barack Obama has won the overall delegate race in Texas thanks to a strong showing in Democratic county conventions this past weekend.
Obama picked up seven of nine outstanding delegates, giving him a total of 99 Texas delegates to the party's national convention this summer. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton won the other two, giving her a total of 94 Texas delegates, according to an analysis of returns by The Associated Press.
Texas Democrats held both a presidential primary and caucus. Clinton narrowly won the popular vote in the state's primary March 4, earning her 65 national convention delegates to Obama's 61.
Precinct caucuses began immediately after polls closed primary night and quickly devolved into chaos in many parts of the state because of an unprecedented turnout of more than 1 million Democrats. The state party was never able to provide complete results from the caucuses, which is why the AP withheld nine delegates.
The precinct caucuses elected delegates to about 280 county and state senate district conventions on Saturday. The AP awarded the remaining delegates based on results from Saturday's conventions, showing Obama with about 58 percent of vote, compared to 42 percent for Clinton.
Obama won 38 delegates through the caucus/convention system, and Clinton won 29.
The final delegate allocation will be decided at the party's state convention June 6-7, and the numbers could change if either campaign is unable to maintain the level of support they had over the weekend."
"WASHINGTON - Sen. Barack Obama has won the overall delegate race in Texas thanks to a strong showing in Democratic county conventions this past weekend.
Obama picked up seven of nine outstanding delegates, giving him a total of 99 Texas delegates to the party's national convention this summer. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton won the other two, giving her a total of 94 Texas delegates, according to an analysis of returns by The Associated Press.
Texas Democrats held both a presidential primary and caucus. Clinton narrowly won the popular vote in the state's primary March 4, earning her 65 national convention delegates to Obama's 61.
Precinct caucuses began immediately after polls closed primary night and quickly devolved into chaos in many parts of the state because of an unprecedented turnout of more than 1 million Democrats. The state party was never able to provide complete results from the caucuses, which is why the AP withheld nine delegates.
The precinct caucuses elected delegates to about 280 county and state senate district conventions on Saturday. The AP awarded the remaining delegates based on results from Saturday's conventions, showing Obama with about 58 percent of vote, compared to 42 percent for Clinton.
Obama won 38 delegates through the caucus/convention system, and Clinton won 29.
The final delegate allocation will be decided at the party's state convention June 6-7, and the numbers could change if either campaign is unable to maintain the level of support they had over the weekend."
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Is this something to be proud of? If Hillary got more votes and Obama got more delegates, doesn't it undermine the principle that the leader in pledged delegates is somehow more "legitimate?"
Just sayin...
April 1, 2008 5:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
How could this have happened? Hillary had a plan to win Texas. It was written down and everything!
April 1, 2008 6:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
According to some other article on this site today (I seem to have lost it -- did anyone else see it?), Obama's margin of victory in the popular vote in Mississippi was bigger than Clinton's margin of victory in the popular vote in Texas. That would seem to cancel out the "undemocratic" effect of the Texas caucuses, wouldn't it?
Oh, right, I forgot. Mississippi primary votes don't count.
April 1, 2008 6:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's the link, to a blog post citing the MS stats, and linking to the results: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5330945
That should at least partially assuage Armchair Guerrilla's concerns about Obama's democratic legitimacy. Since caucuses don't count, I guess the leader in primary votes should win the nomination. And that would be ...?
April 1, 2008 6:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wasn't questioning Obama's legitimacy. I merely pointed out the hypocrisy in hyping the fact that a candidate got fewer votes in a state but won more delegates, then saying the number of pledged delegates should be the ultimate deciding factor in awarding the nomination. In other words, if one candidate's delegate lead does not reflect the will of the voters of that state (as appears to have been the case in Texas and, from what I recall Nevada), that's an argument against using pledged delegates as your yardstick. Obviously, given that Obama is leading in both categories, my point may be academic.
April 1, 2008 7:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Brian Williams on the NBC nightly news reported that Senator Obama has won Texas by a margin of five delegates. Ready From Day One Hillary, has been outmaneuvered once again. Looks like she is also a very slowly learner. How many times does Senator Obama have to run rings around her before she gets a clue. Ready from day one my arse. More like always a day late, and many dollars short to pay her bills, Hillary.
April 1, 2008 7:45 PM | Reply | Permalink