Wright-Aid
I’m an agnostic.
I was brought into this world by a Protestant couple, and my two older sisters and I were baptized Protestants.
We attended Sunday school until I was about eight years old. That was when my sisters and I told our mother we found church to be boring. Our mother heaved a great sigh of relief, and said, “Thank God. Now I can watch golf on Sundays.”
I considered myself an atheist throughout my teens, although I did consider becoming Catholic when my oldest sister studied catechism in order to marry her Catholic boyfriend.
My father proclaimed, in the latter part of his life, that he was most likely a Druid. Back in the 60’s, however, he did consider Judaism, but that was right after he read “The Exodus”, and it didn‘t last long.
I guess you could say that I have no religious base.
But because I’m just one single, humble human being in a great big universe that provides no easy answers or quick solutions to any problem in sight, I choose to believe that there is a higher power, up there, somewhere.
I just choose not to choose which religion that higher power might belong to.
What if the true God is Jewish? What if he’s Buddhist? What if he’s a she who is Wiccan?
How could I possibly pigeon-hole myself into one tight, comfy little slot, and stay there, without sampling what the tight, comfy little slot right next door to me is feeling?
So that’s why I’m agnostic.
That being said, this whole religion thing in the 2008 race to the election is truly ridiculous to me.
Why? Here’s why:
- John McCain is endorsed by Hagee, and that’s okay.
- Hillary Clinton belongs to an elitist religious group called “Fellowship Foundation” that is so secret no one knows about it, and that’s okay too.
- Fox, CNN, and MSNBC show clips of sermons from Obama’s former pastor, Reverend Jeremiah Wright, and all hell breaks loose.
I don’t get it.
Quite frankly, I’ll bet my higher power doesn’t get it either.





Elizabeth, it has nothing to do with RELIGION.
It only has to do with two things: a "moral compass" who says "God Damn America". That's the only reason this became a problem.
The rest is completely irrelevant. Nobody in their mind would or should question Obama's religion, unless that religion calls for destruction of the state and live human babies for dinner.
March 27, 2008 10:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I had a problem with that too ... until I learnt about jeremiads.
March 28, 2008 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course, what he was pointing out is that God will damn any who disobey his commandments, one of which is not to kill. If you're familiar with the actual Hebrew, you'll know that there is a distinction between kill and murder made in the Old Testament and that this distinction has to do with the innocence of the victim. As Rev. Wright said, "God damn America. That's in the Bible for killing innocent people." Also, you're an idiot.
March 28, 2008 6:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hi Lalo.
My name is Elisabeth, with an S, but I prefer Lis. With an S.
I believe Barack Obama has a moral compass that points true True.
"God Damn America". Well, frankly, I've heard worse. I believe flag-burning is a right of ours, and maybe in his own way, Reverend Wright was burning a flag.
The rest is not completely irrelevant, much as your comments to all three of my posts these past two days have proven.
Your patriotism is obvious to me, but your Americanism isn't quite so.
Peace,
Lis
March 27, 2008 10:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sorry I misspelt your name.
Let me clarify my point: I agree with you on flag-burning, dissent, free speech, etc. It only confirms what I wrote before - this has nothing to do with Obama's religion.
But because the Republican Party has been taken over by the religious right since the time of Reagan, they have been setting the agenda for all these years.
"God Damn America" is not a problem for me. It's a problem for many voters, because of how our culture changed.
Republicans campaign on making their opponents look un-American. That's what this incident played into.
March 27, 2008 10:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Regardless of how we feel about it, I agree with you that this is a significant symbolic difference. (I.e., significant only in the sense that it can affect voters' opinions.) On one hand we have a candidate who proposed an amendment to outlaw flag burning (Clinton)—how very patriotic. On the other, we have a candidate whose preacher shouted "God Damn America" from the pulpit—how un-American.
Most progressives would, of course, put it almost exactly the other way around, but I think you're correct that there is a certain core of Americana that feels this way. Most of that core wouldn't vote for either of them, but part of that core tends to vote Democratic and might not this year. That said, there are other demographics that Obama will pick up that Clinton wouldn't. My instinct is that it will more than cancel out the first group, but it's only an instinct.
March 28, 2008 6:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lalo, please confirm or clarify. You're saying that you don't have a problem with Wright saying "God damn America". Which presumably means that you don't have a problem with that Obama going to a church where the minister said "God damn America". Which presumably means that you don't have a problem with Obama's "moral compass", since Wright's quote was reason you brought up for the compass problem. But because Republicans have made a fuss over this and because they claim that Obama lacks a moral compass, you feel that Obama's choice of church was politically unsavvy. Is that your chief concern?
March 28, 2008 7:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Beautiful post, Elisabeth. I'm in the same boat in many ways. Religion is so subjective, and no one agrees on it, ever. That's why we are supposed to have the benefit of a separation of church and state.
It's unfortunate that freakin' tools like Lalo won't just leave it alone and feel that they have to spray their never-ending hypocrisy all over a nice sentiment such as yours.
March 27, 2008 10:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
It has nothing to do with a "moral compass" who says "God Damn America." Any basic retention of Obama's speeches or writings show that he has a deep love and hope for America. It has everything to do with sound bites for our Entertainment Tonight like political coverage that dominates our media. It has everything to do with these media corporations being under the umbrella of 5 major corporations, who will financially benefit from either a Clinton or McCain Presidency. It has everything to do with these 5 corporations betting against your intelligence.
March 27, 2008 10:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
And just how will a Obama Presidency keep those said companies from making money?
March 28, 2008 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
He will hold his thumb and forefinger in front of his eye, affix said corporations inside this frame and summarily crush them.
March 28, 2008 6:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ahhhhhhhhhhhh yeah....i get it now
March 28, 2008 7:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's not forget that McCain had to make nice with Falwell, Robertson and Co. who blamed 9/11 on the homosexuals and the jews (to paraphrase).
March 27, 2008 10:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is a great read, very clever and creative.
When you put it that way, it all does seem like mainstream media has turned into looney tunes, and less and less of us are taking ABCCBSCNNNBCMSNBC so seriously any more.
Thank you. Enjoyed.
March 28, 2008 1:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Pass on the flag burning bit. Ok with it in principle ...in reality? Its pretty pathetic.
March 28, 2008 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you aware that the symbolism involved has to do with the United States Flag Code? That those who burn it as a symbol are not burning it because they hate America or similar such nonsense, but because protocol dictates that the flag must be burned if it is no longer fit to serve as a symbol for the nation. In other words, this is intended as symbolic act of patriotic dissent intended to send the message that we have, in some way, deviated from our most important principles? I'd recommend to developing a mind that will allow you fathom the abstract.
March 28, 2008 6:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
It amazes me how many "protect the flag" amendment supporters don't even know the Flag Code. How can you ban burning the flag, if burning the flag is the only prescribed method by which one is supposed to dispose of a flag?
March 28, 2008 6:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Really? I wonder how amazed you'd be by this Colbert interview then! :D
I'm afraid this kind of stuff in general doesn't amaze me much. The Colbert interview, however, managed to get past my wall of jaded low expectations. Unfortunately, the result is that I now have even lower expectations. :(
March 28, 2008 7:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah I got it long before your condecesion made its way to the page. Still upsets me. Sorry the hell outta me. It does. Doesn't mean I am going to be for a law against it...sheesh
March 28, 2008 7:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's about rhetorical orthodoxy, heresy, and who is entitled in America to be pissed off, and about what.
More than anything else, though, the resulting hysterical reactions from the Right Wing punditry (and certain Left Wing partisans who shall remain nameless) seem to me to be about who really "owns" America.
Wright's criticisms of America were received in the exact same fashion that, say, harsh criticisms that I might make about feminism would be received. I might be able to say something true, and maybe even insightful, that presents some aspects of feminism in a less than attractive light - but in a very real sense, I don't possess the critical token that I need to in order to have my criticisms considered on a completely level and totally equal playing field within that community. I'm not a women, so in a very real sense, I can't be a feminist in full and complete standing. I'm at most a fellow traveler, a sympathetic friend. I'm not whining about that, or complaining about it - it's simply a fact.
The Heresy that Wright committed was that he criticized America, in very stark and unflinching terms. Religious nutjobs like Hagee, Falwell, and Robertson have made their careers by proffering such criticism (i.e. that America has brought her troubles on herself through her iniquity), but because they are white, male, and religious, they get a pass. Wright, as a black man, does not. He's not a member of the ownership class - at best, in the lizard brain, he and his ilk are not much more than glorified tenants, and their right to be here and partake in the American dream is statutory only, and of a lesser type than the God-given rights that the lizard brains possess. Ultimately, goes this unspoken lizard brain orthodoxy, his kind really doesn't belong here.
Of course, this attitude doesn't just extend to blacks. According to the argument in hand, it also applies to gays, immigrants, women who wish to do something other than stay at home and raise children, liberals, atheists, and all manner of such undesirables. We all are essentially guest workers here, and our rights come at the neo-Aristocracy's pleasure.
See how that works?
March 28, 2008 5:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well put.
March 28, 2008 6:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think you just may be on to something.
March 28, 2008 6:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can someone find a 30 second snippet in one of Wright's sermons that combines "I love" + "God" + "Country" ?
Then we could put it on You Tube to innoculate against the repeated playing of the "God damn America" snippet.
Unfortunately we have people who still thing Obama is muslim, then we have people who think the former pastor of his Christian church - hates the US.
Other fallacies:
Obama is not black enough.
Obama is too black.
Obama is too moderate.
Obama is too liberal.
Its crazy but there it is.
March 28, 2008 5:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama keeps talking about Wright. Today on The View he said that his former pastor had acknowledged that his contoversial remarks were "inapppopriate". Does anyone have any evidence of this? Because right now it appears that the Senator is trying to bamboozle us. He might even be lying.
March 28, 2008 5:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now he IS throwing Wright under the bus.......
March 28, 2008 7:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think this is the crux of our continued disagreement.
Why do you insist on allowing Republicans (or in this case INVITING the GOP) to set the agenda?
I think it's time to say "God Damn your agenda, we're headed to the White House!"
March 28, 2008 7:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. Religion doesn't really belong in the argument for the White House in the first place.
Somehow, Conservative and Evangelical Republicans brought it here. It's now become some sort of litmus test. Look at Romney and Huckabee. They beat the so-called frontrunner (as he was known a year ago), Rudy Giuliani, in Republican votes. Of course, Rudy's campaign strategy alone was enough to do him in (not to mention Judith), but I found it interesting that the two most "religious" Republicans were the ones McCain ended up having to beat.
I really don't remember religion being this big an issue since Kennedy's "Catholicism" speech had to be made (not that I'm old enough to remember that). We had some odd-ball religious leaders in the primaries before, yes, but religion itself wasn't an issue just months before a primary election until now....until Wright.
And I'm sorry, but I believe Jeremiah Wright is not a bad man. I believe a great number of his sermons have been taken out of context, and I believe the MSM and conservatives have no understanding of the African American church experience and so they have therefore inflated this whole issue into something that it isn't.
It's a shame, if you ask me, because already Reverend Wright has had to cancel two previously-scheduled speeches this month, due to the controversy now surrounding him. All of his acts, deeds, words, miracles, over the past 30 or 40 years, written off by a bunch of ignorant fools who just want to crucify someone in order to win one election.
I still don't get it.
March 28, 2008 7:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
So lis if your paragraph is true:
And I'm sorry, but I believe Jeremiah Wright is not a bad man. I believe a great number of his sermons have been taken out of context, and I believe the MSM and conservatives have no understanding of the African American church experience and so they have therefore inflated this whole issue into something that it isn't.
Do you have any understanding of it?
March 28, 2008 8:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
To paraphrase Chelsea Clinton: That is none of your business.
But, I'm an open and honest person, so I will answer your question.
My boyfriend and I have been living together for six years now. My boyfriend is black.
I know every member of his family, have attended their church, and unfortunately, three of their funerals.
Prior to that, I lived for 10 years with a man whose father was black (a WWII and Korean vet) and whose mother was white (German -- they met during WWII).
Oh, and...prior to that, I also dated white boys ;-)
Please, Louisville, learn how to put yourself in other people's shoes now and then. I think it will do you a lot of good.
Peace,
Lis
March 28, 2008 8:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I appreciate that Lis, I understood that that was probably the case. Its not a matter of not walking in someones shoes. I would say the same to you as well. I would say that to us all. I have a good amount of knowledge of the African American church experience but through Catholic eyes. My experience was nothing like what came through Rev. Wrights sermons. I guess what upsets me is the protrayal that that experience is a monolithic one. That doesn't do justice the amount of diversity in worship in all of the communities in the US.
And, I am sorry, if you've heard worse that "that" and didn't walk from it.....i don't know....
March 28, 2008 9:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Woah, let me clarify that further. I haven't heard it from any of my black family either. I have some very liberal friends of all walks of life.
I think it's time to put this argument to bed.
I have a very important vote coming up: Sinbad/Crowe 2008!!
Peace and love to everybody,
Lis
March 28, 2008 9:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Worse than what?
March 29, 2008 12:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
When I said I've heard "worse than that", I didn't mean that I'd heard it in a church.
March 28, 2008 9:39 PM | Reply | Permalink