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I've Had It! (and I'm doing something about it)



I'll say up front that I'm not the person to be doing this. But I've waited for a dairy entry like this to surface in the last 48 hours. Apologies if one has, but I couldn't find it.


I'm just a working stiff who wants to see a Democratic president inaugurated next January. It's what made these last four years barely tolerable.

I've enjoyed the Democratic primary process a lot since January. I know my own moribund state party was totally re-energized by the turnout it generated.

But these last couple of weeks, it's really turned ugly. Geraldine Ferraro was the last straw. Somehow, one-by-one, the Clinton campaign has made be dislike people whom I've always admired. Sorry, Clinton supporters, but I don't think I'm alone.

If there was any chance of Clinton ending the primary season with more delegates, I'd say let the process continue, no matter how bloody. But this is going nowhere. If she overrules the primary process with super delegate support, they'll be a civil war within the Party that will take a generation to heal. If she
doesn't, she'll have used up every Republican talking point in the book to bring Obama's numbers down. Either alternative is unacceptable to
me. Not because I'm a Obama cult member - I began as an Edwards supporter - but because I want to see a Democrat in the White House this time next year.


OK, so I've had it. And it makes me furious that Howard Dean and Al Gore and John Edwards and Speaker Pelosi have not come out publicly and said: "This must stop; Clinton doesn't have a path to the nomination, and we need to focus our attention on McBush. Let's round up the superdelegates we need for a first round nomination and make sure this thing ends right now."


This mess won't end anytime soon without some kind of meeting of the minds of these Democratic Party leaders. Since they're reluctant to do so on Gov.
their own, they need a people-powered push. So if you've had it too, here's contact information for all of those people to let them know what you think and how you want them to resolve this.



(These contact numbers and address are the best I could do on a quick search during a break. If anyone else has better info, please post in the comments and I'll update as soon as I can)



Howard Dean

Democratic National Committee

430 S. Capitol St. SE

Washington, DC 20003

Main Phone Number:
202-863-8000
go to: http://www.democrats.org/...



Nancy Pelosi

Washington, DC - (202) 225-4965

San Francisco, CA 94102 -
(415) 556-4862
sf.nancy@mail.house.gov
or
AmericanVoices@mail.house.gov

or
go to: http://www.house.gov/...



Al Gore

Fax: 615-327-1323
Phone: 615-327-2227

For press interview requests, email Al Gore’s spokesperson, Kalee Kreider at Kalee@carthagegroup.com (sorry - best I could do)

Honorable Al Gore

2100 West End Avenue
Suite 620 Nashville, TN 37203



John Edwards
Phone
: (919) 636-3131
Fax: (919) 967-3644
(left over from the campaign - tel. # has answering machine)

Mailing Address:
410 Market Street
Suite 400

Chapel Hill, NC 27516

go to: http://www.johnedwards.com/...


Update: I got two more e-mail addresses in an automatic reply from Edwards: scheduler@johnedwards.com and press@johnedwards.com


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You want to prematurely end the election? Uh... okay.

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Nothing premature about it. She mathmatically cannot win. If she stays in her losing race, or worse yet, tries to steal the nom with underhanded tactics, the only consequence is to bring the whole democratic party down with her.

The leadership has to do something. This must stop.

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I wanted Clinton to stay in. I wanted Edwards to stay in. It would've been great if Kucinich had stayed in. (I don't think Dodd or Biden brought much to the debate, frankly) But I also wanted Clinton to stay positive and clean. She figured out she couldn't win if stayed positive. Sad thing is, she couldn't win by going dirty either. So now she's created a divided party and ruined her reputation with half the party by her own scorched earth strategy.

I believe he is saying what a lot of people feel...end this farce of a Primary so the Democrats can win the election.

The only way Hillary can become the nominee is to win every remaining state with a minimum of 65%...which won't happen. Or steal it. And given her idea of campaigning, she has resorted to be an embarassment to herself and the party, not to mention a tremendous ally of the Republicans.

And if she steals the nomination via chits and PAU, Dems will lose in the fall.

Hillary Clinton has made it abundantly clear that she does not care about anything other than winning at all costs. She lies, misleads, uses incredibly dirty tactics, misrepresents her own strengths and then acts as though anyone who doesn't support her doesn't count.

She is already a foreign diplomacy disaster and it's just the Primary. She alienated Putin...who is in bed with Iran..smart Hillary, really smart. Those who were involved in Irish peace talks call her claims silly...I mean, it wasn't her who won a Nobel Prize for her effort. Kenyan elders are demanding an apology and she couldn't just comment on the recent Ecuador-Colombia skirmish, no...she had to personally attack Chavez as well.

And of course, she has accepted more money from special interests than even any of the Republican candidates ever did, the Clinton's history of fund-raising is probably in a dictionary somewhere by now under the definition of special interests. No wonder she won't release her tax returns!

She sided with a Republican over her own party with her McCain more fit than Obama and before that was partisan with McCain in attacks against Obama. YES THERE SHOULD BE A NEW CLINTON RULE after this, ala Zell Miller.

She epitomizes ugly politics. I am sick to death of hearing her go on about how the voice of the American public is irrelevant. I thought her statement about 'MLK's inspiration vs LBJ lawmaking skills' summed up just how little she respects the voice of the American people. If the American people weren't clamoring for change, LBJ would never have signed a civil rights bill. Tail wags dog is something this country is, but doesn't have to be.

Obama is a breath of fresh air behind all of his substance. Better judgment, more years in elected office, smart plans and a kinder, gentler approach that some rednecks are now confusing with weak. What? Have we gotten so used to being the bully of the world that no other way makes any sense to us any more?

I am a middle aged, white southern woman who thought in January that whomever won would be great. Fast forward and now, I'm something I could never have imagined...a Hillary hater.


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I think they should not only repudiate Ferraro's behavior and tell Clinton to conceded for stirring up such bigotry, but they should call for and lead civil rights marches all over the country.

This calls for redress, not just denunciation!

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OK--I have had it! I am tired of EVERYONE! I am tired of Hillary. I am tired of Obama. I am tired of McCain. I am tired of the whole election bullshit game by all sides. Time to tune out. Whether I bother tuning back in come November or not...who knows. They all suck! (And yes, I mean Obama too!)

Hear hear!

I want to see Clinton exit this race ASAP. I think she's tearing the party apart with every day she says in the race.

But, I think that the superdels coming together now to throw this thing to Obama will do more damage than good. For some ungodly reason people still support Hillary. This I cannot explain. Unfortunately, Obama does need a good portion of these folks if he hopes to win in the general. Now, if, at this point, the superdels make a Hillary comeback actually impossible rather than almost impossible (as it currently is), many Hillary supporters will feel like they were robbed (probably the same way many of us would feel if Hillary tried to take this thing with a superdelegate coup). Some of these Hillary folks would vote for Obama in November for the same reason that some of us would vote for Hillary if she were to win via theft, i.e. the Supreme Court and lowed federal courts. But, in the end, I fear that more alienation than good would be accomplished .... and that is highly unfortunate because I for one think the Ferraro thing is a deliberate ploy by the Clintons to fracture the remaining primary voters by race. Diabolical stuff.

Tough catch-22 we're in. Thanks Hillary.

"But, I think that the superdels coming together now to throw this thing to Obama will do more damage than good."

Maybe, but I don't think so. I want to see super-delegates moving towards Barack Obama in the next few weeks - two or three a day. And best would be if Hillary's super-delegates switch sides in disgust at her antics.

This would get publicity and the momentum would seem overwhelming. It would become more and more clear that Hillary couldn't win, and you know how people love to jump on a bandwagon. And once Barack Obama reached the magic number, that would certainly be it.

I don't think it would be a problem, if this is how it worked out.

WCG,

"But, I think that the superdels coming together now to throw this thing to Obama will do more damage than good."

Maybe, but I don't think so.

I agree with first poster.

If it were David Duke instead of Hillary running against Obama, I would feel the same.

There should be little doubt Hillary has been running a blatantly racist campaign to tap into the ugliest strain in American politics.

Party notables should be damning such tactics hut not obstructing them in a democracy. The harm that would be done by ending Hillary's campaign, no matter how ugly, would leave a residue of bitterness that could not easily be overcome.

JMO.

Best, Terry

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And I'm sick of ignorant people who know nothing about Hillary Clinton, her history or her record making these kinds of stupid remarks.

Any chance any of you will educate yourselves rather than making your ignorance a proud banner?

I thought not. I have the impression that educating yourselves about the candidates and issues is not a high priority. Why bother, when you can just read the headlines and then start yakking? Maybe you should give yourselves some kind of clever label. Instead of "the silent majority" or yesteryear, you can be "the blabbing majority" of the 21st century.

Well, as I often have occasion to tell my chatty daughter, "You can't learn while talking."

Thanks.

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Thank you, Michael, for your rationality. This is what we need to hear more of these days.

Mikey,

Um, was there an actual point in there somewhere or was your post pure vitriol. I like how you assume your superior knowledge on all things Hillary, but fail to make any substantive point. Are you denying that her campaign has been injecting race into this thing since she lost Iowa? Unfortunately, you come off as just another bitter Clinton supporter who thinks that all Obama folks must have the education and grasp of the issues of an uninformed teenager.

I am truly befuddled at the continuing support of her in light of the direction her campaign has taken. A couple months ago I was having a hard time trying to figure out who I thought would be make a better president....cause I do know a thing or two about Hillary's record. But, now I can't stand the idea of her leading our party because of the means by which she pursues power. I think all dems should eschew these tactics. You want to debate me on the issues, fine; but don't lecture me like I'm your daughter.

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Unfortunately, you come off as just another bitter Clinton supporter who thinks that all Obama folks must have the education and grasp of the issues of an uninformed teenager.

Way to tell 'em, Spicoli.

Michael Powe,

And I'm sick of ignorant people who know nothing about Hillary Clinton, her history or her record making these kinds of stupid remarks.

Any chance any of you will educate yourselves

Done long ago, Michael.

Want to try to explain the miraculous first day blizzard of cattle futures contract trades? I always love stories of miracles.

Maybe you would like to discuss the transformation of the Democratic Party into an auxiliary of the Republican Party that stands for the - er "suffering middle class" rather than "the little man and woman."

Could you please tell us your opinion of taking more corparate money for campaigns than any other politician ever?

You didn't actually say you knew about these things but I gathered you implied it.

Be happy to discuss them with you.

You might want to tell your daughter too - or maybe best you should listen to her. Home is where education should begin.

Best, Terry

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How's this for history Michael. This is from the start of this campaign, back in May. Judge her on the company she keeps:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/20/us/politics/20commence.html?_r=2&scp=2&sq=Milestones%3A+Hillary+Clinton&st=nyt&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

Read the article first for context, then see the news footage from that dark day
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSsgwajStCo&feature=related

This person was a close family friend and fundraiser (no rejecting or denouncing here). No matter what you "do" to create a persona of helping and charity, personal alliances speak volumes.

Especially, if it happened before the Pennsylvania primary and rendered those results unimportant.

this isn't a football game.

this also isn't the general election - it's the primary.

hil doesn't have a path to the nomination. mi and fl may be "seated", but they won't affect the outcome. they'll be split. so stop hoping for them to save her.

we need to start running against the republican nominee mcbush.

hilary's campaign has frankly sucked.

but she'll somehow persevere against the republican hate machine?

i call that the audacity of hope.

Thanks for your help. I'll be calling the Dean number and telling him if he doesn't want Florida's vote in the primary he can forget about me voting democratic in the GE.

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Good for you.

The time for all this indignation was last summer when your elected officials were throwing you under the bus in a misguided attempt to influence the primary race. They wanted to move the primary up, there was very little dissent, and they knew what the consequences were before they voted to do it. I don't see how that is the fault of the DNC or why you would choose to vote Republican in the fall -- your elected officials gambled and lost. Clearly, your commitment to the party was opportunistic in the first place and hardly a loss for the Dems.

I voted for Carter over Reagan, Mondale, Dukkakis. But your new coalition of independents and republicans doesn't need someone opportunistic like me. So be it.

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The pro Obama comments on this thread are amazing. They amount to people saying that Hillary should just get out of Obama's way. That's pure B.S. We're not through a lot of big states yet and she has millions of supporters.

I've always said that I'll vote for the Democratic nominee, even if it's Obama. That's still my intention.

But if my candidate it forced out of the race by the DNC, as Obama's supporters suggest should happen, I'd certainly have to reconsider.

And I know that's meaningless. This contest isn't about any of us individually. But the truth is that this race isn't over. If it's stopped prematurely, more people than you all realize might see it as the fix you all are hoping and begging for.

Destor23, count me in. Senator Obama may have won the delegate count in more states, but the popular vote, even without Florida and Michigan, shows ONLY 2.6% difference between Senators Obama and Clinton. She should drop out of the race? Quitters are losers. She should be forced out? Shades of 2000, George Bush and the Supreme Court. There is a reason that our wise founders set up the system of intense competition under which we still live with enormous pride. Can it be uncomfortable at times? Sure. But it works. Let it. The Millions of voters (not including Florida and Michigan) who support Senator Clinton for President are no less important, valuable, or rational than the nearly identical number who support Senator Obama. Viva la democracy!

Are you lacking in reading comprehension skills? There haven't been very many "pro-Obama" comments here - just a lot of anti-Hillary.

You can take a "if you're against her, you're with him" stance, but the fact is, HRC dug her own grave with a completely inept, racially manipulative, fear mongering campaign. Many of the posts in this thread and others have expressed dismay at HER behavior, and very few have even commented on his.

Personally, I sort of wish Obama would reclaim the news cycle, but I guess why should he when HRC can just continue to let her own support implode on itself by not standing up to racism?

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RECOMEND


The candidate that gets 2025 delegates wins. It's really that simple. You might not like it. You might not like the electoral college either and prefer that candidates are elected solely on popular vote (which, of course, would tip the playing field toward states with the most population). But, there you have it in the United States of America.

So, by what path do you see Hillary winning the nomination?

Pro Obama comments... or utter disgust with the way one of the candidates seems willing to savage the whole party just so she can have her way?

Florida voters - 118 - 0 in your house and 37 - 2 in your Senate doesn't sound like a whole lot of you were up in arms pressing them to protest the power grab. Sorry about your luck - guess you'll just have to be more involved in your state politics and make sure you get more intelligent people elected NEXT time. In the meantime - quit telling the other 48 states that followed the rules that they have to eat your dung. Who the heck are you?

It's a representative government system here in the US - a REPUBLIC - so you change things by changing your representatives - not by changing the rules mid-stream.

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Well Michael Powe, I know at least two parts of Hillary's record:

1) She voted to give Geo Bush the authorization to use military force in Iraq. That has certainly been a success and should encourage all of us about her courage to do the right thing in the future, and

2)She says, with a straight face, that an election where only her name was on the ballot ( MI) was "fair and should be honored" . Well said by the person who seems to believe that she is running for Maximum Leader instead of President.

Those two alone are enough for me. So keep working for the maximum leader and perhaps you will get what you wish for.

I agree. This was a ploy. Hillary was able to give cover to these beliefs.

However, now they're out there, in public. It was going to happen. You just don't think it's going to be done by another Democrat. They have appealed to the darkest parts of the American psyche. Thanks, Hillary. How in the world can we believe that you will do anything good for any of us, when you have this contempt for the people of your own party?

Thanks to to Elizabeth for this contact information. I was going to try to dig it up today.

I agree wholeheartedly with the original post. I posted something similar. I have emailed Dean and Pelosi. We should implore the superdelegates to step in an end this. The cost of them remaining on the fence is too high. We all must look atthe big picture. And that's taking the White House in '08.

Hillary Clinton is too far behind and cannot win in any legitimate fashion. More people must call for the speedy resolution of these primaries, so that we can move forward and defeat John McCain. Below is my post.

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OPEN LETTER TO SUPERDELEGATES AND THE DEMOCRATIC BRASS

Democrats,

We are moving perilously close to a dangerous nadir in the race to determine a Democratic Presidential nominee. We can all see the increasingly ugly tenor of the race. Barack Obama has tried, much to his credit, to keep his campaign focused on the core issues. Unfortunately, Hillary Clinton and her surrogates have not.

My question to all of the main Power Players in the Democratic Party (and by this I mean ALL current superdelegates, esp. Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean, Al Gore, John Edwards, Bill Richardson, Jimmy Carter. etc etc etc) -- my question to you all is ... how much more of this campaign do you need to see? Barack Obama won the primary in Mississippi. Yet, significantly, the exit polls suggested that most people -- white and black -- voted along racial lines. On the very same day of the Mississippi primary, coincidentally perhaps, Geraldine Ferraro, (a Hillary Clinton surrogate) came out with a racist rant suggesting that Obama was winning because he is black. And when she was challenged on this, she made it an even BIGGER racial issue by suggesting that she was being challenged because she is white. Yet the Clinton campaign was slow to repudiate her. (Of course she won't be fired.) In fact the Clinton campaign chief, Maggie Williams, a black woman, disingenuously flipped the script and blamed Obama for playing the "race card". Now how ironic is that?

Again, seriously, I ask the Democratic Power brokers: how much more of this disturbing, polarizing campaign does America have to witness? How much more of the Clinton 'Kitchen Sink' shall America be subjected to? How much more dishonesty and divisiveness? Granted the newspapers and MSM are loving every minute of this. Perhaps it translates, for them, into great drama; a profitable high stakes reality contest. But DO NOT get it twisted. In reality, what we are witnessing is the destruction of ANY viable Democratic candidate for presidency in '08.

Why say this? I say this because if Obama -- who is the front runner in every determinable way -- popular vote, delegate count, states won -- is continuously lambasted by a slanderous onslaught from Hilary Clinton's camp AND abetted by a weak and complaint mainstream media; if Hillary (or her camp) continues to get away with polarizing the country along racial lines to procure votes; or by continually twisting Obama's words and record unfairly to undermine his credibility; then I predict that NO DEMOCRAT will win in the general election. We may as well hand John McCain the nomination by default right now.

There is simply no way in hell that any self-respecting Obama supporter -- or for that matter, any rational, progressive human being -- who fully understands the scope of scurrilous attacks being rendered by the Clinton campaign -- could ever vote for Hillary... no matter who her opposition in November.

Beyond that, I will reach my final conclusion. You, Democratic Power Players, you and you alone, are in a unique position .. You have the ability to end this before April 22. You have the power to stop the spectacle that this race is disintegrating into. As I alluded to earlier, we are reaching a dangerous threshold, and soon there will be no turning back. Hillary Clinton seems perfectly content to drag the whole party down into the gutter if she cannot win.

So, therefore, it is now time to act. Barack Obama needs only 35 percent of the undeclared superdelegates to reach the required 2025 to fully secure the nomination. He is the clear front runner in most every regard. It is highly unlikely that Clinton can surpass his pledged delegate count -- which is the core determinant. Obama has abided by all the rules (while conversely Hillary's campaign attempts to break them.) It is now time for you to get off the fence, and take a stand and vote to save the Democratic Party's best chance to win the General election in '08. If you do not ... then I am afraid you (too) will be held responsible for what occurs if this race spirals down it's destructive path .... just as responsible in your tepid inaction as Hillary Clinton's campaign is in their overt action.

Thus far, many of you have chosen to sit on the sidelines and watch the race as spectators. The time is quickly passing on that tact. Very soon it will be your moral responsibility to intercede for the good of the Democratic Party; for the good of nation and for the good of the American People.

I speak on behalf of millions.
Stand up.

I believe Hillary is going to cost us the election in November, one way or another.

The longer this goes on, the worst it is for everyone.

destor23 - do you really think if Hillary somehow wins the nomination at this point, she'll be able to win the general?

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I really do, SCMadden. If you think she's being rough on Obama, just imagine what she'll do to old man McCain.

But I'm really confident that either one of them can win the general. I'm more concerned with how they'll govern and I'm afraid that Obama's instincts towards compromise will hurt him as a president.

I hope that if Hillary is nominated that you'll decide that beating McCain is way more important than the stuff we're arguing about now.

And I have a serious question for you. Did you Death Avatar come from "Endless Nights?"

No idea actually, just grabbed it off the web. (which explains why it's "giant sized" - oops.)

Never fear, even though I seriously dislike Clinton's tactics, I will still vote for her. Not that my Texas vote will count...

But I do worry in close states whether the scars that are being left in the primary will heal in time for the general.

Add your own represenatives to the list. I emailed mine (all Hillary supers) and put them on notice. I advocated two things (didn't write it like this): 1) reign Hillary in over the divisive, negative attacks and 2) don't you dare override the will of the people at the convention.

I did not request that they change their vote right now. If Hillary can cool her jets with the negative stuff, the race continuing is not so bad. I'm trying to be reasonable here. There will be a lot of disappointed and angry people if this gets decided prematurely. I'm OK with the race proceeding all the way to PR and MT. But the Cllinton campaign cannot proceed as it has been.

I should also note that I have been preparing my self mentally to get my butt to Denver should the need arise.

Reading all the comments to this post confirms, in my view, the validity of its point: those who would vote Democratic are becoming so polarized over their primary choices that some serious portion of them are deciding either not to vote in the GE or to vote for McCain. (I'm not suggesting these are progressive types; if their understanding of US politics is such that they ever would vote for a Repuglican in their lifetime, they simply have no moral compass worth respecting.)
At the very least, we should urge the SDs to make the PA election their tipping point, and declare now that, however that turns out, they will decide within a week thereafter as to who they will choose as the Democratic candidate.
That will bring an end to the bloodletting within about a month, and it will respect the decisions of most of Americans who have voted in the primaries. (Compare this with prior years, where a very few idiosyncratic states--Iowa and NH--have been able to pick our party's candidates.)
Let's stop our infighting and go after McBush!

I get all worked about this and definitely feel the party is about ready to be torn apart. But at the same time, don't forget that a vast majority of people aren't paying nearly as much attention to all of this as we are.

I submit that a formal demand be made of the uncommitted Super Delegates to come out NOW and endorse the candidate of their choice. The only exception are those whose states have not yet voted.

My county in California voted for Obama, yet my rep endorsed Hillary because she was promised help on her personal concern for her ethnic issues. (Note she is not black or latino)

They need to speak out before the Pennsylvania vote on Apr 22

No brokered convention.

They need to be made out as either COWARDS OR WORSE... BACK ROOM DEALERS if they don't endorse NOW. Hasn't anyone noticed the Super Delegates are essentially frozen in time, WTF is going on if it is not back room dealing. Hillary hosted a dinner last night with the uncommitted Super Delegates. Or should I say "front room" dealing in the Clinton household?

This is essential to make the real vote count. After they come out then the final ten contests will be more meaningful.

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Excellent post, Elizabeth. It mirrors my own thoughts and experience. I also was an Edwards supporter (no way that I could be termed an "Obamaniac") and also voted for Ferraro as VP in the '80s. I'm now ashamed of that vote.

I'll be contacting those on the list you provided, but also wanted to offer this link for others who may be pressed for time: http://www.congress.org
You can find the email addresses of all members of Congress on the site, and you're own members (for those who are represented by Dems) by typing in your zip code. The site allows one to write one letter which can be sent to all one's reps. Since our elected Dem representatives are all superdelegates, it's a place to start.

To bad the Democratic party doesn't offer an excommunication option... At this point both Ferraro and Clinton, who is "innocently" benefiting from Ferraro's race-baiting comments, would qualify for excommunication in my book, as they are betraying the values of the Democratic party.

Hillary Clinton's conduct is shameful. She has knowingly promoted race hatred and minority prejudice to achieve her own narrow ends. She has continually demeaned and denigrated African-Americans - a socioeconomically and sociopolitically disadvantaged population - in the vain hope of appealing to BIGOTS. And neither she - nor her increasingly desperate supporters have ANY misgivings about it. If African-Americans are oppressed further, so be it. They simply don't care.

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