The Farce of Clean Coal
Anyone who has ever gotten their hands dirty with coal should be able to realize that clean coal is an oxymoron. Coal is the sine qua non for global warming. Sequestration of CO2 emissions would take building an infrastructure greater than the entire mass of pipelines, vessels, other transportation, mines, drilling rigs and production platforms and then leave a problem more difficult than the storage of nuclear waste.
Scientists attempting to separate and convert the noxious emissions of coal-burning plants to additional fuel as well as recovering valuable products are not terribly likely to see substantial commercial results that would solve most problems in the near future. In no way would I want to discourage such research BTW.
Though only fools think they know the future certain, it is my belief now that Obama will be the next president. Much of what he proposes and a lifetime record promises a most welcome change but his routine acceptance of conventional wisdom in regard to energy policy is abysmal. As are those of nearly all politicians. One might even make the case that John McCain is the superior candidate on the issue considering McCain has accepted that there is a problem of global warming, something scientifically-challenged Republicans tend to deny.
Advances in solar power and storage technology may some day make it an acceptable alternative to fossil fuel-burning power plants but for now, despite some admirable uses, it is little more than a cipher in the total energy picture. Wind makes far more of a contribution but is still a very minor factor and will remain so in the foreseeable future because it is intermittent. No one wants power only when the wind blows and the sun shines.
Even if the U.S. stopped building coal-burning power plants today and started shutting down those in existence, one might consider that China is adding a new coal-burning power plant every week.
There are answers but the answers are not ones that politicians readily accept.
For instance, the U.S. is shipping waste wood to China and other countries to supply power even now while utilizing only little of its own. The problem for politicians is that utilizing wood from sources like landfills does nothing for farmers, let alone coal miners.
Obama has added biodiesel to the Al Gore catechism of wind and solar. It is enchanting to think of trucks being fueled by used french fry oil from McDonald's - there really is some use of such oil - but biodiesel production may be more destructive of the environment today than even coal mining. The point is that both current agricultural land as well as virgin land is diverted to production of fuel with all the damage that agriculture can do to the environment.
Sometimes it seems self-proclaimed greens are the worst enemies of the environment.
Methane is a far more potent greenhouse gas than CO2.
Anaerobic digesters have been utilized for centuries to convert manure to a more effective fertilizer. At first the methane that was separated was little more than an entertaining novelty. My doctor told me that the small village where he grew up in India derived all its ele electricity from digesters. The Sierra Club fights tooth and nail against efficient modernized use of anaerobic digesters with Norman Rockwell-like pictures of happy cows and pigs playing in green pastures.
Rockwell and his mistress must be roaring with laughter up in heaven. Rockwell actually used his mistress as a model on occasion in his Saturday Evening Post covers. Can you imagine the brouhaha that would have caused in the puritanical 50's if they knew? Puritans must be the most sex-crazed people on earth with the persistence of so many through the centuries. :-)
When can we have a serious discussion in the country about energy?
How bad do things need to get?
Best, Terry
Scientists attempting to separate and convert the noxious emissions of coal-burning plants to additional fuel as well as recovering valuable products are not terribly likely to see substantial commercial results that would solve most problems in the near future. In no way would I want to discourage such research BTW.
Though only fools think they know the future certain, it is my belief now that Obama will be the next president. Much of what he proposes and a lifetime record promises a most welcome change but his routine acceptance of conventional wisdom in regard to energy policy is abysmal. As are those of nearly all politicians. One might even make the case that John McCain is the superior candidate on the issue considering McCain has accepted that there is a problem of global warming, something scientifically-challenged Republicans tend to deny.
Advances in solar power and storage technology may some day make it an acceptable alternative to fossil fuel-burning power plants but for now, despite some admirable uses, it is little more than a cipher in the total energy picture. Wind makes far more of a contribution but is still a very minor factor and will remain so in the foreseeable future because it is intermittent. No one wants power only when the wind blows and the sun shines.
Even if the U.S. stopped building coal-burning power plants today and started shutting down those in existence, one might consider that China is adding a new coal-burning power plant every week.
There are answers but the answers are not ones that politicians readily accept.
For instance, the U.S. is shipping waste wood to China and other countries to supply power even now while utilizing only little of its own. The problem for politicians is that utilizing wood from sources like landfills does nothing for farmers, let alone coal miners.
Obama has added biodiesel to the Al Gore catechism of wind and solar. It is enchanting to think of trucks being fueled by used french fry oil from McDonald's - there really is some use of such oil - but biodiesel production may be more destructive of the environment today than even coal mining. The point is that both current agricultural land as well as virgin land is diverted to production of fuel with all the damage that agriculture can do to the environment.
Sometimes it seems self-proclaimed greens are the worst enemies of the environment.
Methane is a far more potent greenhouse gas than CO2.
Anaerobic digesters have been utilized for centuries to convert manure to a more effective fertilizer. At first the methane that was separated was little more than an entertaining novelty. My doctor told me that the small village where he grew up in India derived all its ele electricity from digesters. The Sierra Club fights tooth and nail against efficient modernized use of anaerobic digesters with Norman Rockwell-like pictures of happy cows and pigs playing in green pastures.
Rockwell and his mistress must be roaring with laughter up in heaven. Rockwell actually used his mistress as a model on occasion in his Saturday Evening Post covers. Can you imagine the brouhaha that would have caused in the puritanical 50's if they knew? Puritans must be the most sex-crazed people on earth with the persistence of so many through the centuries. :-)
When can we have a serious discussion in the country about energy?
How bad do things need to get?
Best, Terry
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Obama has been serving as Illinois' Senator so has accomodated his allies. I don't condone that, but expect it.
We've tried before to have your serious discussion, and you just start in on geothermal. Read the Solar Grand Plan in January's Scientific American.
Good to point out the risks of coal, but note that existing commercial products, specifically WOWEnergies of Texas, have secondary heat exchangers for smokestacks. These should beinstalled in existing plants rather than more plants built. If we did, (including factory smokestacks) we would gain 200 gigawatts of otherwise wasted energy. This is roughly that many coal or nuclear power plants. And the low exhaust temperature causes mercury and cadmium to simply precipitate out in the stack.
That said, we have copious groundwater in the temperate regions. Arid southwest has sun, instead.
February 23, 2008 9:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
There is no sun at night even in the Mojave Desert. :-)
A solar tower is being built in the Moave Desert as a utility scale project that concentrates the rays suns on a water tower. The older Tower of Power in the Mojave a couple decades or so ago was a bust and I expect this one will be too though the huge increase in computer power that is required for tracking of the sun may overcome the cost problems.
It is always risky to guess about future scientific and technological progress. Even intermittency may be overcome with future developments in energy storage. There are numerous proposals.
More to the point, geothermal is economical now but remains in the shadows. That also seems true of biomass. Both produce far more power than wind and sun. Wood can even replace coal as a fuel economically it appears.
WOWEnergies is new to me. Sounds good. On the right track anyway.
Best, Terry
February 23, 2008 10:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
I've disussed some storage systems. I strongly recommend the article I referenced. It makes its projections based on proven designs in use, mainly compressed air in underground caverns. This is good but does not scale down easily for local use. Another storage system with long experience is pumped hydro.
A better mid-size system, useful for applications from houses up to small utilities, is the flow battery. Check an installation on King Island, Tasmania. It will hold 750 kWhr, enough to run the local town for several hours. That will allow them to run almost exclusively on their own wind turbines.
February 23, 2008 10:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
No answers here. But if you think about it, fossil fuel has been a kind of "storage system" for energy. While we have various means of "gathering" energy, like water, wind, solar, geothermal - it seems to me the key here is "how to store the energy you "gather" or "generate." So research on "batteries" or whatever you want to call the "storage system" seems to be a key. I do know that Johnson Controls does such research. And likely there are other companies. It's the *storage system* and *clean storage* we need to improve.
Just my 2 cents.
Thanks, Terry, for this excellent post!
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February 23, 2008 10:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
San Diego Gas & Electric was actively building storage dams years ago into which water was pumped at night when less electricity was used. Then during the day the dam would produce power by the usual means. Plans have been drawn for artificial islands with windmills that would operate on the same principal. A somewhat similar idea is compressed air that generate power as the compression is released.
The hot air out of Washington should have lots of stored energy but a little more enterprise might be nice. :-)
Thanks for the discussion.
Best, Terry
February 23, 2008 10:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ending a thoughtful post on energy policy with a disquisition on the relationship between Norman Rockwell's ménage practice and the zeitgeist of the '50s reminds me of the Times' lede-ing its McCain lobbying story with rumors of romance.
Recommendation: Let's all stay on topic.
February 23, 2008 10:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
There is much money to be made in boondoggles so we will likely see many more of them before the problem of future energy is solved. That's okay, to a point.
Boondoggles aren't totally useless. They can be entertaining, educational and provide stimulus to the economy. With those considerations, it would be better to have many more on smaller-scales and cut back on the really big ones.
There are so many different ways that electricity can be produced and so many different climates. What works well in one place may not in another. We should encourage the development of technologies that allow people to produce and store some of their own energy. Maybe even sell any surplus to a local, regional or national grid.
The idea isn't to replace all coal and nuclear power or even petroleum, at least for the foreseeable future, but to reduce the number of plants needed.
My proposal, hopefully not a boondoggle, is that the federal government invest in development of a new, national two-way,energy grid and a well-regulated energy exchange. After all, anyone who can produce surplus electricity needs a way to get it to market. Think of the grid as a highway system for energy.
February 23, 2008 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Someone else sees the need for a new grid. FTR, I read this article after I commented above. Must be something in the ether this morning.
Move Over, Oil, There’s Money in Texas Wind
February 23, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
In the Scientific American article they detail a plan for the grid. This is sound engineering, without expectations of unknown technological magic.
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=a-solar-grand-plan>
February 23, 2008 5:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I suggested upgrading the grid, expanding the ability of individuals and businesses to sell to it as well as draw from it, and promoted an energy exchange. All of these currently exist in varying degrees around the country. What is magical about them?
Surely this early in the game we would be better served to subsidize a delivery system and open it to diverse energy producers. Think of it as leveling the playing field.
February 24, 2008 3:23 AM | Reply | Permalink