Riffing off The Washington Post’s new slogan, “Democracy Dies In Darkness,” journalist Michael Wolff asked President Donald Trump’s senior counselor Kellyanne Conway if she takes personally the fact that she is “the darkness.”
“How personal do you take this?” Wolff asked Wednesday during a conversation at the Newseum in Washington D.C.
“How personally do I take what?” Conway asked.
“This coverage of you this ‘Democracy Dies In Darkness” because I’m gonna tell you, when they say ‘Democracy Dies In Darkness’ you’re the darkness,” Wolff said to cheers.
“I’m not the darkness,” Conway shot back.
Wolff clarified that he was not calling Conway “the darkness,” but pointing out that is probably what the Washington Post had in mind. Conway said that just because someone says something, doesn’t make it true.
The comment came in a forum about the press and the presidency, which Conway participated in. Unsurprisingly, most of the questions volleyed at her had to do with the administration’s distrust of the media. At one point, Conway took a shot at television news, saying that anyone can go on TV and say anything, even if it’s not true.
“People literally say things that just aren’t true,” Conway said to laughs from the audience.
Conway has a complicated relationship with television news. Once a frequent face on the air, she has been largely absent following several well-publicized “alternative facts.” It’s not clear if she has removed herself from cable news appearances or if more network shows are following in line with “Morning Joe,” who refuse to have Conway as a guest.
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