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Josh Marshall

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Here's a very disappointing column by Bob Herbert on the Times OpEd page. Count on it being embraced by Clinton-haters and the more feeble-minded run of Democrats.

Bill Clinton may have damaged himself on the way out of office - I'll leave that question aside for the moment. But it's simply pitiful to see Herbert saying things like this:

He was president for eight years and the bottom line politically is this: For the first time in nearly half a century, the Republican Party controls the presidency and both houses of Congress. Bill Clinton has been a disaster for the Democratic Party. Send him packing.
Fulmination, purism and hypocrisy. The familiar talk of souls sold. All sound and fury.

If Democrats can't grasp the truly pitiful state they were in in the eighties and early nineties they really are up the creek without a paddle. Say what you will about Clinton's sometimes poor judgement. But he did no end of good for the Democratic party. If the people who don't grasp this get back at the helm, well ... then Democrats really are in trouble.

More on this topic later.

Okay, let's be honest. If your bit is defending Bill Clinton this ain't been the best week. Or two. Or three. Well maybe three weeks ago was good because then we were still talking about the prank story which turned out to be completely bogus. But let's not lose our train of thought. If your bit is defending Bill Clinton it's been rough going.

But this is also supposed to have been rotten for Democrats because it's kept them from making their case against the Bush agenda and given Bush a free reign on the tax cut front. They're on their heels. On their backs. Etc. Pick your metaphor.

But is this true? Hardly.

While Bill Clinton has been on the ropes, the outlook for the Bush tax plan has grown steadily worse. Recent opinion polls have shown not so much strong opposition to Bush's proposal as a persistent lack of enthusiasm for the touchstone of Bush's agenda. More Republicans are coming out against Bush's current plan. And - as yet - no Democrats have followed Zell Miller's impetuous and now obviously embarrassing move in supporting the Bush plan.

So the pardon stuff may be a big embarrassment for Bill Clinton but it's not clear to me that it's been so bad for the Dems.

And there's more. So far the tax cut has been on the table with only the goodies. Now Bush has to lay out his whole budget - with it's budget cuts, it's lack of funds for Medicare and Social Security or debt pay down. In other words, the road doesn't get easier from here, it gets harder.

P.S. Next up ... What's the Dems' endgame for the tax cut debate? Don't know? Don't worry. Neither do they.

Damn! Oh the frustration! Sometimes I just feel like our new president cares about tax cuts a hundred times more than he cares about the important priorities which matter to most Americans.

Hyperbole? Well, not exactly. On Wednesday the Washington Post reported that Bush is calling for an increase of "$1.6 billion, in spending on elementary and secondary education."

$1.6 billion per year more in education for the kids and $1.6 trillion over ten years in tax cuts. Hmmmm ... Guess Karl Rove must have taken the day off the day they came up with that line item.

P.S. Why do I have to spoon feed this stuff to the Dems? Come on, guys!

Alright. Let's be honest with ourselves about the real question in the evolving Hugh Rodham pardon flap, the real journalistic contest afoot.

Don't play dumb with me! You know what it is: the contest to see which news organization can come up with the most unsightly picture of Hugh Rodham. I was going with this beaut from MSNBC with Hugh on the golf course with a cigar. But they took it down so now we're on to this one. But it's not over yet. Entries are still pouring in!

Brouhahas like the Marc Rich pardon often become so lavish and baroque that they generate sub-brouhahas that innocent and well-meaning opinion journalists like Talking Points get sucked into.

I'm now in a tete-a-tete with Mickey Kaus over just such a sub-brouhaha about Bill Clinton's NYT Op-Ed piece in which the former President wrote "the case for the pardons was reviewed and advocated not only by my former White House counsel Jack Quinn but also by three distinguished Republican attorneys."

The lawyers in question jumped up to deny Clinton's statement and my friend Mickey, with an assist from the New York Times, accused Clinton of an "astonishing lie." Then I jumped into the fray and whacked Mickey and now Mickey has made his second jump into the fray and whacked me back, charging among other things, that what I said just doesn't hold up and that, in any case, I never got around to talking about two of the lawyers in question - something I'd promised to do.

I don't want to rehearse the whole episode again. So if you're interested you can see what I wrote here and what he wrote here.

So what's my defense? Honestly, I think Mickey is talking around what I said. If you read my original post I think it's rather clear that I left the door open to the possibility that the president's statement may have been in error. ("We'll talk later about the accuracy of the former president's statement. But can repeating an undisputed statement in the public record be an 'astonishing lie'?")

My point from the start was that Mickey and others had committed what the clinicians refer to as a CACOS (Classic Anti-Clinton Over-Statement).

Since the beginning of the Marc Rich pardon saga it's been widely believed and discussed that Dick Cheney's Chief of Staff Lewis Libby was an attorney for Rich in the pardon matter until he started working in the White House. With a simple Nexis search I found two clear references to this and another in a copy of the New Yorker which I found in a slightly mangled state under my nightstand.

In his post, Mickey picks apart the New Yorker reference and says it's not as clear as I said it was. But Mickey ignores the other reference I found which is far more clear and direct. That would be when Tom Brokaw said "Vice President Cheney's chief of staff, Lewis Libby, also once represented Rich and also tried to arrange a pardon for him during that time."

Now perhaps Brokaw got it wrong (though I think he got it exactly right.) But let's go back to what I said. The question here is what's an error and what's an "astonishing lie." Repeating what everyone else also thinks to be true may involve you in a misstatement; and it may be sloppy or unwise. But to call it an "astonishing lie" seems ridiculous to me.

Now Mickey also points out that Clinton said this was one of the reasons for giving the pardon. And he did that before Tom Brokaw said anything. So maybe this is another lie. He's saying that it was a reason for the pardon as opposed to an after-the-fact justification?

But let's look at the facts. Lewis Libby was an attorney of record for Marc Rich in his efforts to get a pardon and remained so until just recently when he entered government service. If Libby is a remotely competent lawyer I assume he reviewed the pardon application and if he's an ethical one I assume he advocated his client's position. Libby's defense seems to be that he did not personally put in a call to Bill Clinton to push for the pardon. But this sounds a bit like what the anti-Clinton folks call 'parsing', doesn't it?

(In short, with regards to Libby, I think there's far more truth in Clinton's statment than Libby's response. And I'm quite comfortable diagnosing Kaus's original post as a CACOS.)

Now, let's go to the stronger part of Mickey's argument: that I never got around to discussing the other two lawyers, Brad Reynolds and Len Garment - which I had promised to do way back when in what now apparently counts as the Pleistocene Age back on February 18th.

This isn't a bad point. I have let four days go by without following up. And from what I know Reynolds and Garment are in a different category from Libby. Though both were intimately involved in constructing the arguments contained in Rich's application for a pardon, neither, it seems, has recently been in Rich's employee. So the accurate statement would have been "these two prominent Republican attorneys devised the argument that convinced me to pardon this scofflaw Marc Rich." Did Jack Quinn tell Clinton they'd been involved more recently? I don't know. (And if I did, I couldn't say anyway.)

Again, some statements are wrong, some are misstatements, some are "astonishing lies." I feel pretty comfortable in how I originally categorized this one, though I'll let you be the judge.

But let's not move off this matter quite so quickly. Len Garment has at least been a pretty stand-up guy about this. He says he didn't have anything to do with the current lobbying for a pardon. But he thinks it was the right thing to do. But what about these other Republican lawyers running for the hills, saying they never heard of this guy Marc Rich? I think Lewis Libby obviously used Ari Fleischer to lie for him. And Brad Reynolds? Well, he's just getting an easy pass from his buds in the press. Big surprise.

P.S. Oh, sorry. I forget to recite the pro-Clinton anti-Marc Rich oath …. I, Josh Marshall, disagree with the Marc Rich pardon but …

P.P.S. So what's deal with Kaus? A good guy? A friend? Totally.

P.P.P.S. Is this just a case when you're being diplomatic on the web because you don't want to make an enemy? No, No way. He rocks and he's been very good to me. A veritable Yoda to my Skywalker.

Hey, look! Mickey Kaus is taking me on for my earlier whack at him over the Bill Clinton New York Times Op-Ed sub-brouhaha to the Marc Rich pardon brouhaha.

P.S. So are you going to respond? Definitely. But it's late so it'll have to wait till tomorrow.

P.P.S. Hey, this is important! Why can't you give us your response now? Dude! It's 2:30 in the morning! Gimme a break!

Hey! Wait a second! Does Talking Points have to connect all the dots here? Remember that laptop that went missing from the State Department last year?

Maybe Hanssen snagged it!!!

According to this article just posted on MSNBC: "From February 1995 until January, Hanssen was the FBI's senior representative to the State Department's Office of Foreign Missions, where he oversaw an interagency counterintelligence group."

So maybe the problem wasn't Madeleine Albright running a loosey-goosey, slipshod operation. Maybe it was Louis Freeh sending a spy over to help 'oversee' State Department intelligence. Louis, good goin', dude!!!

P.S. Could Hanssen have been connected to that Russian diplomat who got caught working on an eavesdropping device outside State Department headquarters back in '99? Sure. Why not. Put that on the list too.

P.P.S. Do you have any reason to believe, or does it even make sense, that Hanssen could have been involved in either one of these incidents? No idea. But, hey, we're talkin' about Louis Freeh here so we can use his rulebook, no? Let's wait and see what Walter Pincus and Vernon Loeb come up with.

Robert Philip Hanssen seems so obviously guilty that the only mystery remaining now in this espionage case is who Louis Freeh will find to pin the blame on and how he'll do it.

Washington is filled with people who have mastered the art of 'failing up.' But no one has mastered this art quite as well as Louis Freeh.

As the master profilographer David Plotz explained last Fall, what's most fascinating about Freeh is not that his agency has managed to blow many of the high profile cases it's been involved in over recent years (Waco, Richard Jewel, Wen Ho Lee, etc.). The real intrigue is that he's managed to pass almost all of it off as someone else's fault. Who takes the fall for this screw up? Janet Reno? Bill Clinton? Denise Rich? Bernie Sanders? Who? Think fast! Who?

Top Ten Reasons why Hugh Rodham (Hillary's brother) getting $200,000 (now returned) to lobby in favor of pardons and commutations for convicted drug trafficker Carlos Vignali and herbal supplement king Almon Glenn Braswell ain't as bad as it looks.

5. Hugh Rodham won't need those secret payments from Marc Rich anymore.

4. Gives Jack Quinn someone to look down on.

3. Even drug traffickers need a break sometimes.

2. Makes clear Bill ain't the only one with a loser brother.

1. Gets that whole Marc Rich thing outta the headlines.

P.S. Hey, you said Top Ten! What happened to 10 through 6? Hey, it's *&#$%&@ free site. Gimme a break!

P.P.S. So Talking Points, are you still a big fan of Bill Clinton's. Yeah, no doubt. But this one's at least good for a laugh, isn't it? And sometimes, hell, if you can't beat 'em join 'em.

P.P.P.S. Is your face a deeper shade of red right now then it normally is? Absolutely.

Hey! Wait a second! Does Talking Points have to connect all the dots here? Remember that laptop that went missing from the State Department last year?

Maybe Hanssen snagged it!!!

According to this article just posted on MSNBC: "From February 1995 until January, Hanssen was the FBI's senior representative to the State Department's Office of Foreign Missions, where he oversaw an interagency counterintelligence group."

So maybe the problem wasn't Madeleine Albright running a loosey-goosey, slipshod operation. Maybe it was Louis Freeh sending a spy over to help 'oversee' State Department intelligence. Louis, good goin', dude!!!

P.S. Could Hanssen have been connected to that Russian diplomat who got caught working on an eavesdropping device outside State Department headquarters back in '99? Sure. Why not. Put that on the list too.

P.P.S. Do you have any reason to believe, or does it even make sense, that Hanssen could have been involved in either one of these incidents? No idea. But, hey, we're talkin' about Louis Freeh here so we can use his rulebook, no? Let's wait and see what Walter Pincus and Vernon Loeb come up with.

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