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I got a chance to talk with James Carville this afternoon about the Novak episode. I posted what he told me over at the Coffee House.

A small request.

Everyone seems to agree that Valerie Plame is listed in the 2003 Who's Who entry for Joe Wilson. A number of you have looked at copies you yourselves have access to.

Can someone scan the page in question and send it in?

Late Update: A number of you have now been kind enough to send me in scans of the page. But I've also found out that Wizbang has the page posted online. So I'm going to link to them. I also have the whole page. So I'll post that shortly.


Okay, I had to go out this morning. So maybe this is already old news. But it turns out that was an apparently-menacing copy of Who's Who sitting there on the table as Bob Novak stormed off the set yesterday on CNN.

Says the Chicago Sun-Times ...

In a column that ran in the Sun-Times on Monday, Novak suggested he learned Plame's identity partly from reading Who's Who in America. A CNN source said a producer had placed a copy of Who's Who on the set Thursday prior to the taping, apparently so it could be consulted while Novak was asked about the issue.

Maybe this is all just an ingenious guerilla marketing campaign by Who's Who. After all, have they gotten this much publicity in a century?

(ed.note: Thanks to TPM Reader MF for the tip.)

There is an article in the Post tomorrow about our efforts to send most of the detainees at Guantanamo back to their native countries for imprisonment there. Nearly 70%, the article says, will be sent to Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Afghanistan. The countries have to "commit to taking steps that will prevent enemy combatants from re-engaging in hostile activity, and commit to treating the detainees humanely."

(That last part must be a fun conversation, right?)

More specifically, the article says that most Afghan nationals (110 at Gitmo and 350 at Bagram) will be turned over to the "exclusive" control and custody of the new Afghan government. And if you read down further into the article what becomes clear is that this is being done because of mounting international and internal pressure to scale down if not shut down the extra-legal prison system we're running at these various detention facilities around the world.

But isn't this a tacit admission that we don't consider the vast majority of the folks at Gitmo much of a threat after all? Either that or this is an amazingly reckless thing to do.

Face it. We can't have any real confidence that the new Afghan government will even exist in a few years. And we're turning these hardened terrorists over to them? Please.

We don't think there might be some anmesty? Someone might lose the keys and a few might slip away?

Someone tell me with a straight face that an Afghan terrorist we turn over to the Afghan government isn't one we aren't particularly worried about.

Early today I set up a thread over at TPMCafe where people could speculate and discuss just what it was that happened today on CNN with Bob Novak. It's actually an amazing mix of speculation and deft insight with, okay, a few wild flights of fancy mixed in. But I was just reading through them and running the images through my mind over and over again as I tried to make sense or evaluate what this or that commentator was saying. And at the risk of saying something mind-numbingly obvious: what a friggin' bizarre episode that was.

I mean, I've seen people storm off sound stages a few times. But there's something even weirder about it than that. A psychologist would have the appropriate terminology. But there's some element of inappropriate affect scattered through the hullabaloo. I just watched it yet again. And even now it's not quite clear to me what Novak's so upset about.

It's like some spastic teenager or maybe the copywriter who pens the screeds for the World Wrestling Federation just started doing a re-write of the script we're all living through.

This is a big story: Paul Volcker reportedly will accuse Benon V. Sevan of taking kickbacks in the Oil-for-Food program.

Yes, Sevan's name has been tossed around for ages.

But so much else you hear about the Oil for Food scandal is all fruit of the same (Chalabite) poison tree. Or else it comes from an organ grinder monkey who happens, through tragic accident, to represent the state of Minnesota in the senate.

But Volcker, to say the least, speaks with much more authority.

Can someone give me some back up or <$NoAd$>elaboration on what TPM Reader KC just sent in to me ...

I recently read Wilson's entry in Who's Who myself, and I can confirm that indeed "Valerie Elise Plame" is named as Joseph Wilson's wife. However, it's important to note that naming wives by their maiden names seems to be standard practice for the book -- Wilson's previous wife is listed by her maiden name, for just one example. This indicates one of two things is likely true: 1) The book is where Novak got her name, and he committed one of the sloppiest and laziest acts of journalism in recent history by not realizing that the book's standard practice list wives by their maiden names or 2) Novak knew that was the standard practice for Who's Who, so once he realized that his source identified Valerie Wilson by her maiden and cover name, he turned to a publicly available source that would naturally list her by that maiden name as "proof" that her cover name was widely known. To me, the second situation seems somewhat more likely. After all, if the book was his actual source for the name and he was interested in protecting the source who told him "Wilson's wife" worked for the CIA, then he would logically have said outright that he got the name from the book. However, Novak has never said the Who's Who guide is where he got the name, just that others could find it there.

I have to confess that I'm not sure I've even seen a copy of Who's Who, let alone opened one, since I was in high school, probably more than twenty years ago. In fact, I think it's a very dated concept or product. Most people under 40, I think, think of Google when they want to find biographical information about someone. (And, believe it or not, google has info for the non-muckety-mucks among us.) In any case, point being, if what KC suggests is true -- that wives are often referred to by their maiden names, as in the former Ms. such-and-such -- then KC's malign possibility #2 seems rather likely.

First two grafs of Sid Blumenthal's <$NoAd$> new piece in The Guardian ...

Almost every significant aspect of the investigation to bring the London terrorists to justice is the opposite of Bush's "war on terrorism". From the leading role of Scotland Yard to the close cooperation with police, the British effort is at odds with the US operation directed by the Pentagon.

Just months before the London bombings, upon visiting the Guantánamo prison, British counter-terrorism officials were startled that they did not meet with legal authorities, but only military personnel; they were also disturbed to learn that the information they gathered from the CIA was unknown to the FBI counter-terrorism team and that the British were the only channel between them. The British discovered that the New York City Police Department's counter-terrorism unit was more synchronised with its methods and aims than the US government was.

See the rest.

Wow, he's right. Now that I look, it's there as bright as day.

Look at the still frame of Novak and Carville at the Crooks & Liars site. Mickey Kaus says there's a big reddish-brown book sitting there on the table and that it's Who's Who in America, the book Novak has sorta kinda implied was his source for the name Plame. And, yes, there it is, sitting right there on the table, or at least something that looks a lot like it. (Perhaps we can enlist a forensic videographic to enhance the image to see just what's written on the spine of the tome.)

I'm still not sure I see just what about the book would make Novak freak out. I've always thought his Who's Who in America story was a crock. But surely he looked it up to make sure she was named, right?

Late Update: Here's a photo of what the actual Who's Who looks like. Looks like a good match.