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Even the Libertarians aren't buying the Social Security Speech Code!

[ed.note: Ideological exactitude requires me to note that while one would expect Libertarians to be, on principle, in favor of a private-accounts-based phase-out of Social Security, they are the last folks you would expect to have any truck with a White House-dictated Social Security speech code. And in this regard, the good folks at Reason magazine's Hit and Run Blog, which we've linked above, have acquitted themselves quite nicely.]

Ohhh ... and W falls back 5 yards.

From CNN/Money: "Bill Gross, manager of the world's largest bond fund, is criticizing President Bush's plan to privatize part of Social Security. Gross, managing director at Pimco, called the argument about the solvency of Social Security "silly" and said it was an example of the president not focusing on more important issues, such as the budget deficit."

Montana's Great Falls Tribune says Bamboozlepalooza didn't convince the state's lawmakers.

But Caucus member Rep. Denny Rehberg did praise the president's "Oprah Winfrey-style" approach to working the room ...

Rehberg said he felt the president did very well in the "Oprah Winfry-style" panel discussion.

"It led to a free flow of information, and the president looked very comfortable listening to questions and explaining the future problems of Social Security," Rehberg said.

"It's a sign of the president's leadership that he doesn't want to coast in his second term, but to work to resolve an issue like Social Security that is emotional and controversial.

"He's asking the people of America to listen to different ideas for preserving and protecting Social Security, and he's open to nearly all ideas."

Rehberg did not commit himself yet to supporting the president's idea of personal Social Security investment accounts.

"I want to see all the proposals," he said. "But why not consider such personal accounts that would earn a higher return for young adults that they would own and could pass on to their kids?"

He even called them 'personal accounts'. <$NoAd$>There may be some hope for the president with Rep. Rehberg yet ...

Ginny throws down the gauntlet!

In this news segment running on Florida's WUSF 89.7 News, Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite (R) says she thinks President Bush is coming to Tampa to muscle her and other Conscience Caucus members into signing on to his privatization bill.

But "absent specifics," says Brown-Waite, "I'm not drinkin' that Kool-aid. I am not gonna go down that road."

(See the quotes in question at timestamp 1:05.)

The Ginny vs. Prez showdown is tonight at the Tampa Convention Center.

Rep. Sherry Boehlert (R) of New York <$NoAd$> demands readmission to the Conscience Caucus!

This morning we received the following note from the congressman ...

Enjoyed your clever and off-times amusing comments. But shame on you for taking anyone to task for talking about our "responsibility to debate all proposals from top to bottom."

My commitment is not to a specific course of action at this juncture other than to acknowledge a future problem and a determination to get going toward the development of a solution. Don't count me out yet!

We're always happy to take our dollop of shame if it means welcoming a representative or senator back into the Conscience Caucus.

We've duly updated the membership list.

From the Butte Montana Standard: "Burns said he's going to 'continue to look at it,' but had questions about how to pay the plan's estimated $2 trillion price tag."

Hmmm. Gov. Mike Huckabee of Arkansas doesn't think "anyone pretends [the president's Social Security plan] solves the long term issue of solvency."

Has he been to DC recently? Seems there's a lot of pretending.

Says the Gov.: "It’s trying to address methods to improve the system and broaden the base of how it is funded."

Coming later, Senator John Warner (R) of Virginia and his letter to the GAO on Social Security and privatization.

If you're in Little Rock or Tampa, you're up. Today's your day. The Bamboozlebooza Tour is coming to town. If you're going to be on hand for the festivities do let us know and let us know what you hear and see. If you've got a blog, even better. There may even be a "Privatize This" T-Shirt in it for you.

Even better, are you on the black-list for today's events in either town? If so and you can prove it, there's a definite shirt in it for you. At the moment, the White House is claiming that the Fargo black-list was the work of an "overzealous volunteer" whose identity they and the local Republican party claim they are nevertheless unable to discover.

We wondered last night whether Rep. Denny Rehberg (R) of Montana had really gotten through all the festivities yesterday without making any mention of his position on the president's phase-out plan. Well, we hear this morning from listeners on the scene that Rehberg made some equivocal comments on the radio. And this passage from today's Missoulian seems to be the closest he got in print ...

Fellow Republicans U.S. Sen. Conrad Burns and Rep. Denny Rehberg, both of Montana, said after the speech they haven't made up their minds on Bush's ideas. Rehberg said the country needs to openly discuss the issue and not kill the opportunity to fix Social Security with partisan bickering.

"The president is trying to create a consensus opportunity," Rehberg said.

Clearly, Rehberg now gets slotted into FIW status in the Caucus. But if I'm not mistaken Bush didn't even get the two Republicans in Montana to sign on to his plan. If you see instances of the national press picking up on this fact rather than going on about Baucus, can you drop us a line about that too?

This isn't about Democrats: The President Is Hunting for Republicans Who Will Go On The Record In Support of His Plan.

Now on to Arkansas and Florida.

As we said we're keen to get reports from the ground in both states. As we told you here at TPM earlier and in more detail in my column this week in The Hill, Tampa is a hotbed of membership in the Conscience Caucus. You've got our favorite Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite to the north, Caucus member Rep. Bill Young right next door, Caucus member Rep. Katherine Harris to the South. And aside from them you've got folks like Rep. Bilirakis (R) who don't even seem willing to discuss the issue with the press and Rep. Adam Putnam (R) who looks likely to shift whichever way the wind blows.

These Floridians all to one degree or another have their fingers in the wind. And if you can't say much else for them they're good weather vanes, especially Rep. Brown-Waite. So if you hear them chatting on the radio or get quoted in the papers or if they get up on stage with the president to testify to their phase-out conversion experience, do let us know.

So basically the president is finding hardly any Republicans in any of these states who are willing to go on the record in support of his plan. This is why I would never make it in the news business. I woulda thought that'd be a big story.