9:50 PM: This would be a good time for Kaine to note that ISIS has been losing ground steadily for months.
9:49 PM: Pence doesn't respond on nuclear weapons.
9:47 PM: The secret plan combined with the general's plan!
9:46 PM: Kaine hits him on Curiel, as a native Indianan, and Pence doesn't even respond. "When Donald Trump said Mexicans are rapists and criminals, when Donald Trump said about your judge, a Hoosier judge, he said that judge Curiel was unqualified to hear a case because his parents were Mexican American, I can't believe you can defend that." Silence from Pence.
9:42 PM: Like he did on taxes, Kaine puts Trump on the ropes on immigration. Whenever Pence has to defend Trump's big vulnerabilities head on he can't manage it.
9:41 PM: Kaine's third mention of Trump as chief birther.
9:37 PM: Kaine: Apropos of policing, let's discuss how Donald Trump is horrible.
9:36 PM: Get a feeling that Pence is feeling 2020 here.
9:29 PM: Kaine's steadied and gotten stronger after the first 15 or 20 minutes.