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Spitzer Presses Pawlenty To Detail How He'd Cut Spending As President (VIDEO)

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On entitlement programs, Pawlenty again struck a tough-talking tone.

"You can't say you're going to solve these problems without looking the American people in the eye and saying we're going to have to restructure and reform the entitlement programs with particular emphasis on cost containment and health care," Pawlenty said.

He suggested giving states more control of Medicaid to "innovate" and "experiment," and proposed means testing the cost of living adjustments (COLA) for social security.

Spitzer wasn't buying it.

"I admire you for using the word means testing. That's a tough word to use," Spitzer said. "But if you only do it to the COLA, you're not going to save any real money on social security."

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