In it, but not of it. TPM DC
Sanford started philosophically:
"I think that the journey that we're all on is how do you more take yourself more out of the equation," he said. "And without going into the whole, you know, mess over the last year and a half, on a personal level I think that part of the journey I ended up on is moving me in that direction."
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Because of that "mess," Sanford thinks he faced less opposition on political grounds.
"I think that a lot of people, at times, would push against certain things based on their fear that my political star was climbing," he said. "That if they did that it would help me get to wherever it was they thought I was going. And what became abundantly clear was the supposed stars on the rainbow weren't there. And I think we were able to debate the issue at hand. That I was less the issue, and the issue was more the issue."
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